Football The Broncos: I don't see it. - Page 2

Direckshun · 05-02-2012, 05:10 PM

I really don't.

The Manning thing was a stroke of genius, if only because John Elway has the benefit of being Manning's idol. I tell you what, if I was a future Hall of Fame basketball player, and none of you know me so let's just say I am, I'd probably be more inclined to play for the Pacers under Larry Bird (favorite player of all time) than on a small market playoff team like the Memphis Grizzlies.

I think the Broncos, with that acquisition, are about to have themselves a Top 5 passing game in the NFL.

The problem is, I'm pretty sure that's all this team is.

The offensive line is not close to being fixed. Orlando Franklin has been serviceable on the right side, but is not an Eric Winston world beater at the position. And unless they move Franklin inside, their interior line is a joke. Beadles looks like he's getting another year sucking it up at RG, and it looks like JD Walton will be sucking it up at C yet again, because I honestly don't think Phillip Blake unseats him. And if he does, we'll take 680 lbs of nose tackle and shove it up right up the rook's nose.

Which would mean a ton if they had a demonic run game to threaten defenses with -- which, ding ding ding, you guessed it: it's average. Willis McGahee was running like a wildman when Tebow was under center, but they couldn't move the ball against the Chiefs bottom-third run defense late in the year. The only reinforcements they've brought in? A scatback from San Diego State, Ronnie Hillman.

I've no doubt that teams will drop eight, giving the Donks a chance to run better, but it's nothing a stout defensive line and a fast linebacker corps can't rectify.

Their defensive line continues to underwhelm me up the middle -- I like what they have coming off the edges, but I think you can run right at Dumervil and Ayers (I regard Miller as the real deal). I've never been a big DJ Williams fan, just plays too much like Derrick Johnson from the Vermeil days for me to get too excited about.

Their secondary has some talent. Bailey is an All Pro in his twilight years, and I love that safety they drafted from UCLA last year. But Porter has spent the past year or two getting his ass handed to him in New Orleans, and their rookie corner is coming off a devastating injury and is going to take a year or two to develop anyway.

The more things change, the more they stay the same... the Broncos are looking a lot now like the Colts did in the latter Manning years: all pass game with an average run game, with a shit defense apart from two passrushers.

It was a successful strategy in Indianapolis, when the run game was better. The offensive line was better. The defense was better.

And the quarterback was younger, stronger, not a year out of football, one hit away from being sidelined.

In which case, we'll either see a lanky-ass rookie with a Tebow-style delivery, or Caleb Hanie, who we beat in 2011 with Tyler Palko under center.

Sorry folks, don't see it.

San Diego or Kansas City make a ton more sense as division winners.

-King- · 05-02-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

I'll take DT over anything KC has and I'm not alone.

I'd take Baldwin over him. Our 3rd WR over him. Breaston and Bowe are way better than him and it's not even close.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-02-2012, 05:37 PM

vail has gone full knowmo

KCrockaholic · 05-02-2012, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass

I'll take DT over anything KC has and I'm not alone.

Yeah, me, myself, and I.

vailpass · 05-02-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I'd take Baldwin over him. Our 3rd WR over him. Breaston and Bowe are way better than him and it's not even close.

Baldwin has accomplished exactly zero.
Bowe would be a nice 2 on a top WR corps.

DT has more playoff wins, playoff receptions, and playoff winning catches than both of them combined and much more upside.

Breaston is nice in the slot with a QB that can get it to him and a WR corps to draw coverage.

Let's watch this year and take this conversation up again at the end of the season.

Micjones · 05-02-2012, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass

I'll take DT over anything KC has and I'm not alone.

Breaston had about 50 fewer yards, last year, than DT's had in his career.

Okie_Apparition · 05-02-2012, 05:45 PM

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Pasta Little Brioni · 05-02-2012, 05:46 PM

He's cereal guys. I found his list:

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-King- · 05-02-2012, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass

Baldwin has accomplished exactly zero.
Bowe would be a nice 2 on a top WR corps.

DT has more playoff wins, playoff receptions, and playoff winning catches than both of them combined and much more upside.

Breaston is nice in the slot with a QB that can get it to him and a WR corps to draw coverage.

Let's watch this year and take this conversation up again at the end of the season.

Last year was Breaston's first time lining up in the slot

Let me know when DT has 1000 yards in a year. **** it. Let me know when he has it in his career.

**Bowser** · 05-02-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

I'll take DT over anything KC has and I'm not alone.

I assume Knowmo got the night off and you're filling in for him?

listopencil · 05-02-2012, 05:55 PM

In this division, I think Manning makes us the favorite. We'll find out quickly what he can do with our receivers. I think he ends up putting the ball right where it needs to be on a consistent basis and they end up looking better. I know Tebow struggled with these guys but that's not all on him. They were making mistakes out there too last season and they're not going to have Tebow as an easy excuse for poor play this year. The promising thing is that they are relatively inexperienced. Just having him there should back guys off of the LOS. That should help the run game. They'll need it because, as you said, the interior O-Line is weak.

Sure the Broncos have holes. The biggest question on D is how much our old DC had to do with their successes. Other than the coach our D doesn't look much different. I am not expecting any kind of substantial improvement there. I am interested in rookie DT Wolfe. DT's tend not have much impact but he does look like a good fit for us as an UT. I don't know. I'm expecting more of the same from our D and a distinct upgrade in points scored from our O. I also expect Manning to do a better (well, MUCH BETTER) job of managing the game then Tebow did. I would not be surprised if the Broncos get 10 or 11 wins, win the division and win a home playoff game this year. I would be surprised if the won less than 10 or if they won more than 1 playoff game.

Direckshun · 05-02-2012, 06:04 PM

Breaston didn't even really play in the slot last year.

He played outside almost all year.

-King- · 05-02-2012, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Breaston didn't even really play in the slot last year.

He played outside almost all year.

Yeah, he said that he played more slot last year than he had ever played before and that he never played slot in Ari on an interview with Nick Wright.

Okie_Apparition · 05-02-2012, 06:15 PM

I bet Breaston could stare DT the WR into an injury

kcxiv · 05-02-2012, 06:16 PM

I dont know why Manning would go there without many weapons. I dont see this ending up well, but then again they got a good defense. When MOntana came to the Chiefs, we had no ****ing offense and Montana was throwing to willie ****ing dayis lol. So who knows.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-02-2012, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass

I'll take DT over anything KC has and I'm not alone.

Over Bowe?

C'Mon dude.

05-02-2012, 05:10 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4183447	The Broncos: I don't see it. I really don't. The Manning thing was a stroke of genius, if only because John Elway has the benefit of being Manning's idol. I tell you what, if I was a future Hall of Fame basketball player, and none of you know me so let's just say I am, I'd probably be more inclined to play for the Pacers under Larry Bird (favorite player of all time) than on a small market playoff team like the Memphis Grizzlies. I think the Broncos, with that acquisition, are about to have themselves a Top 5 passing game in the NFL. The problem is, I'm pretty sure that's all this team is. The offensive line is not close to being fixed. Orlando Franklin has been serviceable on the right side, but is not an Eric Winston world beater at the position. And unless they move Franklin inside, their interior line is a joke. Beadles looks like he's getting another year sucking it up at RG, and it looks like JD Walton will be sucking it up at C yet again, because I honestly don't think Phillip Blake unseats him. And if he does, we'll take 680 lbs of nose tackle and shove it up right up the rook's nose. Which would mean a ton if they had a demonic run game to threaten defenses with -- which, ding ding ding, you guessed it: it's average. Willis McGahee was running like a wildman when Tebow was under center, but they couldn't move the ball against the Chiefs bottom-third run defense late in the year. The only reinforcements they've brought in? A scatback from San Diego State, Ronnie Hillman. I've no doubt that teams will drop eight, giving the Donks a chance to run better, but it's nothing a stout defensive line and a fast linebacker corps can't rectify. Their defensive line continues to underwhelm me up the middle -- I like what they have coming off the edges, but I think you can run right at Dumervil and Ayers (I regard Miller as the real deal). I've never been a big DJ Williams fan, just plays too much like Derrick Johnson from the Vermeil days for me to get too excited about. Their secondary has some talent. Bailey is an All Pro in his twilight years, and I love that safety they drafted from UCLA last year. But Porter has spent the past year or two getting his ass handed to him in New Orleans, and their rookie corner is coming off a devastating injury and is going to take a year or two to develop anyway. The more things change, the more they stay the same... the Broncos are looking a lot now like the Colts did in the latter Manning years: all pass game with an average run game, with a shit defense apart from two passrushers. It was a successful strategy in Indianapolis, when the run game was better. The offensive line was better. The defense was better. And the quarterback was younger, stronger, not a year out of football, one hit away from being sidelined. In which case, we'll either see a lanky-ass rookie with a Tebow-style delivery, or Caleb Hanie, who we beat in 2011 with Tyler Palko under center. Sorry folks, don't see it. San Diego or Kansas City make a ton more sense as division winners.
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listopencil Immanentize The Eschaton Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In Partibus Infidelium Casino cash: $1965880	In this division, I think Manning makes us the favorite. We'll find out quickly what he can do with our receivers. I think he ends up putting the ball right where it needs to be on a consistent basis and they end up looking better. I know Tebow struggled with these guys but that's not all on him. They were making mistakes out there too last season and they're not going to have Tebow as an easy excuse for poor play this year. The promising thing is that they are relatively inexperienced. Just having him there should back guys off of the LOS. That should help the run game. They'll need it because, as you said, the interior O-Line is weak. Sure the Broncos have holes. The biggest question on D is how much our old DC had to do with their successes. Other than the coach our D doesn't look much different. I am not expecting any kind of substantial improvement there. I am interested in rookie DT Wolfe. DT's tend not have much impact but he does look like a good fit for us as an UT. I don't know. I'm expecting more of the same from our D and a distinct upgrade in points scored from our O. I also expect Manning to do a better (well, MUCH BETTER) job of managing the game then Tebow did. I would not be surprised if the Broncos get 10 or 11 wins, win the division and win a home playoff game this year. I would be surprised if the won less than 10 or if they won more than 1 playoff game. __________________ Good friends we have had, oh, good friends we've lost...along the way. In this great future, you can't forget your past. So dry your tears, I say.
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kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8807996	I dont know why Manning would go there without many weapons. I dont see this ending up well, but then again they got a good defense. When MOntana came to the Chiefs, we had no **ing offense and Montana was throwing to willie **ing dayis lol. So who knows.
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