Royals Bye bye Gordon - Page 11

FlaChief58 · 11-04-2015, 06:32 PM

610 is reporting that Alex Gordon has declined his 2016 option and is a free agent

tk13 · 11-05-2015, 09:00 PM

Mellinger's column today is going over like a ton of bricks on Twitter.

In five days: a world championship, a parade and likely Alex Gordon's last day with the Royals. Baseball moves fast. https://t.co/YjOHV06bwg
— Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) November 6, 2015

**wazu** · 11-05-2015, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Mellinger's column today is going over like a ton of bricks on Twitter.

In five days: a world championship, a parade and likely Alex Gordon's last day with the Royals. Baseball moves fast. https://t.co/YjOHV06bwg
— Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) November 6, 2015

Sheesh. Goodbye, all hope. Well, if it's over then I trust Dayton to be right. The scouts noting he had lost a step speed-wise definitely gets your attention.

WilliamTheIrish · 11-05-2015, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RedDread

The idea of losing Gordon hurts me to my core. I know he's in decline in terms of his career but dude is going to maximize every ounce of his physical potential through his late 30's. Dayton will probably let him go and keep Zo for a lesser amount, but it's going to hurt seeing him come back here in an opposing uniform.

The economics of baseball still suck.

Look at it this way. He's mid 30's now, takes immaculate care of himself and still tore a groin.

This franchise committed to Gordon and never gave up on him. Even though most of the fans (myself included) called him a bust a long time ago.

The franchise committed to Alex Gordon by trading for Johnny Cueto, giving Alex Gordon ( and the rest of the team) a better chance to succeed in post season. The franchise committed to Alex Gordon by acquiring Ben Zobrist, giving Alex Gordon a better chance to succeed in post season.

If hie goes, I'll be sad. But if he goes, I'll know we got the best of Alex Gordon.

mr. tegu · 11-05-2015, 09:17 PM

Gordon will be 32 when the season starts.

RedDread · 11-05-2015, 09:19 PM

Zobrist is being projected in the neighborhood of 3/$45M. Dayton can probably stomach that.

KCCHIEFS27 · 11-05-2015, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

He's not accepting the QO. It's not in any way "decent" compared to what he can get elsewhere. It's merely a hedge so that Royals get a 1st rounder from any team that signs him, which makes him a tad less attractive as a free agent and also gives us a draft pick.

If somebody signs him outside of the top 10, we don't simply take their spot in the draft. We get a compensation pick in between the 1st and 2nd round. Actually, if somebody in the top 10 signs him then we still get a pick in between the 1st and 2nd round.

tk13 · 11-05-2015, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

Sheesh. Goodbye, all hope. Well, if it's over then I trust Dayton to be right. The scouts noting he had lost a step speed-wise definitely gets your attention.

Oh I think there's no doubt about that... although I think he was being careful after the groin injury. He only had two SB this year too.

What's not being mentioned is his defensive WAR was way down this year. I wouldn't say it's over yet. I'd love to see us keep him, but I am very afraid someone is going to step in and give him a huge contract that is more than we all expect.

I actually think Dayton will be the bigger obstacle than Glass. They can afford to pay him huge money, but Dayton would hate the idea of paying $18-20 million for a 35 year old guy who's lost a step.

cosmo20002 · 11-05-2015, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

We made a qualifying offer, and it is decent. If Gordon really wants to stay here, he can.

No it isn't.
1 year at 15M/yr vs. 4 years at $20M/yr (conservative estimate)

Which would you pick?

**New World Order** · 11-05-2015, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

No it isn't.
1 year at 15M/yr vs. 4 years at $20M/yr (conservative estimate)

Which would you pick?

4 years.

kstater · 11-05-2015, 09:39 PM

His dWar was way down because he missed 50 games.

Mr. Laz · 11-05-2015, 09:43 PM

Alex Gordon’s storied time with the Royals coming to an end
Veteran left-fielder will be a free agent Friday night
Royals likely won’t match his price on the open market
jsleezer@kcstar.com
BY SAM MELLINGER
smellinger@kcstar.com

The championship came late Sunday night and the parade on a beautiful Tuesday afternoon. Baseball moves fast, so already, in the same week, Friday is Alex Gordon's last day with the Royals.

The team's longest tenured player is a free agent, starting at 11 pm Friday, and after that his connection with the Royals will be limited to contract negotiations and then, barring what would be a significant surprise, fond memories. Because Gordon will most likely be playing somewhere else next year, which will be weird — weird for him, weird for his family, weird for the Royals — but this is the way baseball works.

Ned Yost, the Royals' manager, calls Gordon the perfect ballplayer. Dayton Moore, the general manager, has said that his proudest professional experience with a player has been Gordon's path from superstar prospect to temporary bust to franchise cornerstone — and Moore said that before Gordon helped lead the Royals to an American League pennant last year and a world championship this week.

Moore is a sentimental man. He often talks about the importance of baseball in the community, particularly with kids, and means it as a compliment when he says someone "plays with a boyish innocence." Gordon is, in many ways, the defining player of Moore's time in Kansas City. This is a complicated situation, then, because the Royals have money to spend this offseason and Gordon figures to be in line for a contract worth between $15 million and $20 million annually over five years.

So what Moore said shortly after a season-ending press conference on Thursday is worth reading into. He was asked specifically about potential negotiations with Gordon, perhaps his favorite Royal of all-time.

"You keep it professional," Moore said. "Business is business. You do the right thing. It's about the Kansas City Royals."

This is significant, because the Royals, for perhaps the first time, are potentially positioned to win the negotiations for a player of Gordon's caliber. Assuming owner David Glass keeps with his policy of putting profits back into the team, a franchise record payroll could grow from $112 million in 2015 to $130 million or more in 2016.

In addition, the Royals have $40 million coming off the books in expiring contracts or likely non-tender candidates, which is only partially offset by about $25.5 million in contracted raises, buyouts, and estimated increases in salary arbitration.

The money coming off includes Gordon, Alex Rios, Jeremy Guthrie, and Greg Holland, who made $8.25 million in 2015 and is a candidate to be non-tendered and then signed to a multiple-year contract to cover his rehab from Tommy John surgery and return to baseball in 2017.

The $25 million in raises includes contract raises for players like Edinson Volquez, Wade Davis, and Eric Hosmer, as well as estimated raises through arbitration for players like Lorenzo Cain, Mike Moustakas and Danny Duffy.

Moore said he doesn't have a budget for next year yet, which is normal at this point. But if these numbers are close, the Royals are well-positioned for the offseason. Moore's message, however, is consistent — prudence, patience, and smart spending rather than a shopping spree.

"We don't want to put ourselves in compromising positions," he said. "We don't want to be vulnerable going forward where we don't have flexibility. We don't want to end up as one of those organizations that's made foolish decisions or signed players to overly aggressive contracts, which I've done in the past. I've learned from that."

When Moore talks about "overly aggressive contracts," he means more in terms of length than size. The Royals caught a break when Gil Meche made what might be an unprecedented decision to retire and walk away from the last year of a five-year, $55 million contract. The Royals reinvested that money in the farm system, most notably in signing Raul Mondesi, now the team's top prospect. It would be foolish to expect that type of fortune again.

It is nearly impossible to imagine the Royals meshing this pledge for prudence with Gordon's price on the open market, which is certain to be bigger than any contract the franchise has ever signed — and likely to be much bigger.

He turns 32 in February, and even going into last offseason, team officials mentioned wanting to massage their roster in a way to lessen the stress on Gordon's body. He played only 104 games last year, slowed by a wrist injury in the spring and a groin injury in the summer.

Rival scouts notice less speed around the bases, and less ground covered in the outfield. He is still a very good player, but time takes its toll on all professional athletes.

Gordon's place in Royals history is secure. He is the team's best player since George Brett, a lock for the team's Hall of Fame, and as good a case as anyone else to be just the fourth man whose number the team retires.

His ties to Kansas City are real — though he no longer lives here in the offseason — and might motivate him to take slightly less money. But to stay here, he would have to take such a smaller contract that Moore and his assistants know they need to make other plans.

His story with the Royals is beautiful. He went to games in Kansas City as a kid, and has a brother named after Brett. He was drafted by the local team, and after working through some professional struggles, came to help lead them from decades of futility to the top of the baseball world. That kind of thing doesn't happen all the time in professional sports. That's worth remembering, and celebrating.

Because the story that does happen all the time in professional sports is coming. It's the one about an athlete signing an enormous contract, one the Royals are unlikely to match.

Sam Mellinger: 816-234-4365, @mellinger

mr. tegu · 11-05-2015, 09:49 PM

Everyone already had assumed we won't match a max contract if it gets huge. We aren't relying on outbidding anyone.

KevB · 11-05-2015, 10:14 PM

I believe that article was essentially a plant from the front office. They're resigned to losing him, and they're putting it out there so fans aren't as shocked when he goes elsewhere. They must feel strongly that teams are going to give Alex 4/5 years, and we were probably hoping for 3 years. I can't imagine Alex wearing another uniform, it pisses me off to think about actually. But I can't disagree if we don't sign him to a 5 year deal.

tk13 · 11-05-2015, 10:18 PM

I don't know if it's a plant, but at best, it reflects what someone in the front office has told Mellinger privately. They know it's going to be a PR blow.

Dayton and Yost had their end of year press conference today, and Moore was pretty specific in saying his philosophy is to pay for future production, not past performance. I wouldn't be surprised if the Royals would go 4.... that's through his 35 year old season. But I can see them not liking a 5 or 6 year deal. Especially if they hope to try and re-sign some of the younger guys on the team.

Kidd Lex · 11-05-2015, 10:20 PM

I too believe the story was a plant - but letting him walk is the right move for anything >4/80 imo. So.... He gone.

I'm not happy, but I'm good with it from an organizational health standpoint.

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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1642500	Mellinger's column today is going over like a ton of bricks on Twitter. In five days: a world championship, a parade and likely Alex Gordon's last day with the Royals. Baseball moves fast. https://t.co/YjOHV06bwg — Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) November 6, 2015
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Alex Gordon’s storied time with the Royals coming to an end Veteran left-fielder will be a free agent Friday night Royals likely won’t match his price on the open market jsleezer@kcstar.com BY SAM MELLINGER smellinger@kcstar.com The championship came late Sunday night and the parade on a beautiful Tuesday afternoon. Baseball moves fast, so already, in the same week, Friday is Alex Gordon's last day with the Royals. The team's longest tenured player is a free agent, starting at 11 pm Friday, and after that his connection with the Royals will be limited to contract negotiations and then, barring what would be a significant surprise, fond memories. Because Gordon will most likely be playing somewhere else next year, which will be weird — weird for him, weird for his family, weird for the Royals — but this is the way baseball works. Ned Yost, the Royals' manager, calls Gordon the perfect ballplayer. Dayton Moore, the general manager, has said that his proudest professional experience with a player has been Gordon's path from superstar prospect to temporary bust to franchise cornerstone — and Moore said that before Gordon helped lead the Royals to an American League pennant last year and a world championship this week. Moore is a sentimental man. He often talks about the importance of baseball in the community, particularly with kids, and means it as a compliment when he says someone "plays with a boyish innocence." Gordon is, in many ways, the defining player of Moore's time in Kansas City. This is a complicated situation, then, because the Royals have money to spend this offseason and Gordon figures to be in line for a contract worth between $15 million and $20 million annually over five years. So what Moore said shortly after a season-ending press conference on Thursday is worth reading into. He was asked specifically about potential negotiations with Gordon, perhaps his favorite Royal of all-time. "You keep it professional," Moore said. "Business is business. You do the right thing. It's about the Kansas City Royals." This is significant, because the Royals, for perhaps the first time, are potentially positioned to win the negotiations for a player of Gordon's caliber. Assuming owner David Glass keeps with his policy of putting profits back into the team, a franchise record payroll could grow from $112 million in 2015 to $130 million or more in 2016. In addition, the Royals have $40 million coming off the books in expiring contracts or likely non-tender candidates, which is only partially offset by about $25.5 million in contracted raises, buyouts, and estimated increases in salary arbitration. The money coming off includes Gordon, Alex Rios, Jeremy Guthrie, and Greg Holland, who made $8.25 million in 2015 and is a candidate to be non-tendered and then signed to a multiple-year contract to cover his rehab from Tommy John surgery and return to baseball in 2017. The $25 million in raises includes contract raises for players like Edinson Volquez, Wade Davis, and Eric Hosmer, as well as estimated raises through arbitration for players like Lorenzo Cain, Mike Moustakas and Danny Duffy. Moore said he doesn't have a budget for next year yet, which is normal at this point. But if these numbers are close, the Royals are well-positioned for the offseason. Moore's message, however, is consistent — prudence, patience, and smart spending rather than a shopping spree. "We don't want to put ourselves in compromising positions," he said. "We don't want to be vulnerable going forward where we don't have flexibility. We don't want to end up as one of those organizations that's made foolish decisions or signed players to overly aggressive contracts, which I've done in the past. I've learned from that." When Moore talks about "overly aggressive contracts," he means more in terms of length than size. The Royals caught a break when Gil Meche made what might be an unprecedented decision to retire and walk away from the last year of a five-year, $55 million contract. The Royals reinvested that money in the farm system, most notably in signing Raul Mondesi, now the team's top prospect. It would be foolish to expect that type of fortune again. It is nearly impossible to imagine the Royals meshing this pledge for prudence with Gordon's price on the open market, which is certain to be bigger than any contract the franchise has ever signed — and likely to be much bigger. He turns 32 in February, and even going into last offseason, team officials mentioned wanting to massage their roster in a way to lessen the stress on Gordon's body. He played only 104 games last year, slowed by a wrist injury in the spring and a groin injury in the summer. Rival scouts notice less speed around the bases, and less ground covered in the outfield. He is still a very good player, but time takes its toll on all professional athletes. Gordon's place in Royals history is secure. He is the team's best player since George Brett, a lock for the team's Hall of Fame, and as good a case as anyone else to be just the fourth man whose number the team retires. His ties to Kansas City are real — though he no longer lives here in the offseason — and might motivate him to take slightly less money. But to stay here, he would have to take such a smaller contract that Moore and his assistants know they need to make other plans. His story with the Royals is beautiful. He went to games in Kansas City as a kid, and has a brother named after Brett. He was drafted by the local team, and after working through some professional struggles, came to help lead them from decades of futility to the top of the baseball world. That kind of thing doesn't happen all the time in professional sports. That's worth remembering, and celebrating. Because the story that does happen all the time in professional sports is coming. It's the one about an athlete signing an enormous contract, one the Royals are unlikely to match. Sam Mellinger: 816-234-4365, @mellinger __________________
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KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	I believe that article was essentially a plant from the front office. They're resigned to losing him, and they're putting it out there so fans aren't as shocked when he goes elsewhere. They must feel strongly that teams are going to give Alex 4/5 years, and we were probably hoping for 3 years. I can't imagine Alex wearing another uniform, it pisses me off to think about actually. But I can't disagree if we don't sign him to a 5 year deal.
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11-05-2015, 10:18 PM	#164
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1642500	I don't know if it's a plant, but at best, it reflects what someone in the front office has told Mellinger privately. They know it's going to be a PR blow. Dayton and Yost had their end of year press conference today, and Moore was pretty specific in saying his philosophy is to pay for future production, not past performance. I wouldn't be surprised if the Royals would go 4.... that's through his 35 year old season. But I can see them not liking a 5 or 6 year deal. Especially if they hope to try and re-sign some of the younger guys on the team.
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Kidd Lex Veteran Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $4792608	I too believe the story was a plant - but letting him walk is the right move for anything >4/80 imo. So.... He gone. I'm not happy, but I'm good with it from an organizational health standpoint. __________________ You are not your job, you're not how much money you have in the bank. You are not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You are not your ****ing khakis. -Fight Club
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