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Why people laugh at Creationists

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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Here's the Kent Hovind Theory:



"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 06-03-2013, 09:32 PM   #2461
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Old 06-09-2013, 04:22 PM   #2462
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Best and most detailed response by sr in this entire thread. Maybe his entire CP existence.

If he had just left out one icon it would have been the perfect response from him.
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Old 06-09-2013, 04:41 PM   #2463
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:53 AM   #2464
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which is why there is still apes, and humans, yet nothing in between. lol, sure thing,


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Old 06-22-2013, 10:22 AM   #2465
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Ok, so I die. And much to my surprise, I find myself standing before the God of Christianity. What do I do? How do I feel about this? What should I think? What should I say? What if Iím wrong?

And when I think about this question I think about the fact that there are two very interesting characteristics that have always been attributed to this God and one is Omni-benevolence. Optimal loveÖOptimal compassionÖOptimal mercyÖOptimal concern for the well being of others. And the other, is omniscience, knowing everything that could possibly be known about anything, from any point of view, at any time, in any context. And one inescapable conclusion that follows from this is that if this being exists, it knows me, I mean really knows me, understands me as well as I can possibly be understood. This is not a mystery. He is not sitting up in heaven wracking his brain trying to figure out why Scott canít seem to believe in him. This God would be acutely aware of my history, of the causal chain of events and experiences that cumulatively contributed to the development of my entire personality and psyche and outlook on life. This being would understand impeccably that I am nothing more and nothing less than a product of that which Iíve experienced. Every interaction that Iíve ever had that changed me or forced me to think differently, down to the exact moment in my life that caused me to care about philosophy, and religion, and theology, and the afterlife. This being would have a perfect appreciation for that. God would understand intimately my reasoning and my thought process, and how I arrived at the conclusions I did. Even if Christians donít, he would know my views on morality, and ethics, and understand specifically why I think it more virtuous to approach religious claims critically and prudently than to accept them at face value on faith. He would understand why I think that Iíve lived a good life, why I think that Iíve made good choices, even if Christians donít.

He would be aware of all the actions and all the characteristics that Iíve seen attributed to him, by Christians, as well as scripture, and why those actions and characteristics seem undeniably incompatible to me, not just with one another, but to the observable world. He would know about the time in my life when I actually picked up a bible and made it a point to read the whole thing. And he would know the hundreds of verses which I came upon which I found horrifying or absurd or completely incompatible with the notion that this was inspired by a just and loving being concerned and loving being concerned with ensuring our salvation, even if Christians donít.

So if I found myself standing before this being, my immediate reaction would be one of complete shock, complete and utter shock. I would be absolutely floored, if I found out, with certainty that the Christian God specifically, exists. And the first question, the first thought that would enter into my mind I know is, ďwhat was wrong with my reasoning.Ē I would beg, I would plead, regardless of whether I was on my way to heaven or hell, just to know, what the flaw was in my thinking. Where along the way were the mistakes I made that led me to the wrong conclusion? I would give anything to know that. I would give anything to know the answers.

Of course, this God would know all too well, I took truth very seriously in my life. I never believed anything because I wanted it to be true or because I thought it would be beneficial in some way to assume it was true. And likewise, I never doubted any claim, simply because I preferred it not to be true. But I would take comfort in knowing that the being responsible for judging me, for evaluating me, and ultimately deciding my fate, knows me so perfectly that I donít need to make any excuses for myself. The omniscience of this being would allow me to feel perfectly represented. I donít have to plead a case, I donít have to persuade anyone that my intentions were pure. These things are already known to this being. It would be known that I never doubted Godís existence out of rebellion, or spite, or of disregard for authority. It would be know that I would have preferred the existence of a loving God all along and would have no problem obeying the commands of this loving God, but I just found too many problems inherent in the concept. Too many contradictionsÖtoo many holes. Too many propositions that require Special Pleading, or Circular Reasoning, or ad-hoc speculation, and that I didnít simply observe anything about reality that couldnít have been the result of natural cumulative processes.

It would be know that my cognitive faculties do not allow me to choose what I am and am not convinced is true about reality. That my disbelief is an involuntarily reaction to what I perceived as a deficit of evidence for Godís existence. And most importantly, it would be known that I thought it insufficient, and even immoral, to pretend to believe in this being simply because I feared punishment or sought reward.

And when I take into consideration what follows naturally from the knowledge attributed to this being and I combine that with what follows naturally from the compassion attribute to this being, itís difficult for me to conceive that this being wouldnít be in some sense proud of me, and pleased with the way that Iíve employed the intellect and the moral sense with which he would have endowed me, even if it turns out that I was wrong.

I have a hard time imagining that this God would be offended by me, and my thought process. Offended enough to allow for me to endure unbearable torment for all of eternity, and not as a form of discipline or correction or redemption, since it never ends, thereís nothing constructive about hell. You donít come out of hell a better person, you donít come out at all. And so the only reason for the existence of such a thing, would be vengeance.

Of course according to the bible and according to most Christians, hell is exactly where Iím headed, no matter the life that I lead or the choices that I make, or the intentions that I have, if I donít at least think that a god exists, wellÖsucks for me. And in the mean time, you know, extreme rapists, and murders, and child molesters are welcomed into heaven with open arms so long as they accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior before their demise. And if it turns out that this is the caseÖthen thatís ok too. Because I donít know how I would be able to handle spending eternity alongside a being whose idea of compassion and fairness makes me sick to my stomach, A being whose empathy would be so easily trumped by his vanity. So thatís my answer...

Good thing Iím not wrong.


Stolen off of youtube but beautifully stated.
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Old 06-22-2013, 10:49 AM   #2466
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I REALLY want to believe.

What is better than having eternal life with family and friends after you die? That's awesome!

I love what religion does for people by bringing them together. The local Christian Churches have amazing people that do amazing thing for others.

I lived in Tulsa for years, and hung out with Rhema and Oral Roberts students often. When the subject came up about God, none of them had an original thought of their own. It's almost like they were stuck believing something strictly because that is all they have know their entire lives.


There might be a superior being out there that created us, but I think that the creator/creators are based on Science instead of a mystical being.


I just can't trick myself into believing in God.
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:10 AM   #2467
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How do you know if they never had an original thought of their own? Maybe they did question at one time and returned to their faith. That does happen.
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I REALLY want to believe.

What is better than having eternal life with family and friends after you die? That's awesome!

I love what religion does for people by bringing them together. The local Christian Churches have amazing people that do amazing thing for others.

I lived in Tulsa for years, and hung out with Rhema and Oral Roberts students often. When the subject came up about God, none of them had an original thought of their own. It's almost like they were stuck believing something strictly because that is all they have know their entire lives.


There might be a superior being out there that created us, but I think that the creator/creators are based on Science instead of a mystical being.


I just can't trick myself into believing in God.
Its a great concept and very appealing. There's just not a single speck of evidence for it.
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:56 AM   #2471
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Dave, There are support groups out for boys who've been molested. It's not your fault big boy.
The adults are talking here, we will get back to you and your previous experiences shortly.
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Its a great concept and very appealing. There's just not a single speck of evidence for it.
I know that that I can set myself free by casting this torment aside, the torment of wanting God to real and heaven to be true.

Freedom is knowing that once the lights go out, it is over. There is no second chance.

There is no cloud in the sky, no time to mend old wounds with friends and relatives after death.

You better take care of it now.

The everlasting life aspect I do believe in is passing our knowledge and love to our children. Love them and teach them so that my genetics and lessons (along with my parents, grandparents, etc) get passed on for generations to come.

That is "everlasting life" IMO.
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I know that that I can set myself free by casting this torment aside, the torment of wanting God to real and heaven to be true.

Freedom is knowing that once the lights go out, it is over. There is no second chance.

There is no cloud in the sky, no time to mend old wounds with friends and relatives after death.

You better take care of it now.

The everlasting life aspect I do believe in is passing our knowledge and love to our children. Love them and teach them so that my genetics and lessons (along with my parents, grandparents, etc) get passed on for generations to come.

That is "everlasting life" IMO.
Beautifully spoken and I couldn't agree more. Might have to make this my sig for awhile.

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I know that that I can set myself free by casting this torment aside, the torment of wanting God to real and heaven to be true.

Freedom is knowing that once the lights go out, it is over. There is no second chance.

There is no cloud in the sky, no time to mend old wounds with friends and relatives after death.

You better take care of it now.

The everlasting life aspect I do believe in is passing our knowledge and love to our children. Love them and teach them so that my genetics and lessons (along with my parents, grandparents, etc) get passed on for generations to come.

That is "everlasting life" IMO.
Had to paraphrase a bit due to the character limitation. Let me know if you don't want me to use it or want it changed, its my thought for the day for sure.
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Had to paraphrase a bit due to the character limitation. Let me know if you don't want me to use it or want it changed, its my thought for the day for sure.
Have at it. It's straight from the heart.
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