Chiefs The most damning evidence against Geno Smith yet. - Page 2

Direckshun · 04-01-2013, 12:59 PM

Comes from the teams themselves, does it not?

Here's the top ten draft slots:

1. Kansas City Chiefs -- need a QB
2. Jacksonville Jaguars -- need a QB
3. Oakland Raiders -- need a QB
4. Philadelphia Eagles -- need a QB
5. Detroit Lions
6. Cleveland Browns -- need a QB
7. Arizona Cardinals -- need a QB
8. Buffalo Bills -- need a QB
9. New York Jets -- need a QB
10. Tennessee Titans

Of those 8 teams, you have a legit shot to draft Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, or Ryan Nassib.

What do these teams do?

Chiefs -- Alex Smith, Chase Daniel
Raiders -- Matt Flynn
Eagles -- re-up Michael Vick
Browns -- Jason Campbell
Cardinals -- Carson Palmer
Bills -- Kevin Kolb, Tavaris Jackson
Jets -- David Garrard

Only the Jags have left their hole at QB untouched, but seem to be favoring giving Gabbert one more shot. The Browns are a bit more debatable, as it's clear that Campbell is not a 16-game starter.

wasi · 04-01-2013, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatriculatingHank

Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
I was thinking the same thing this morning when
it was confirmed that the Raiders took Flynn.
It's very obvious that the people "in the know"
see something that most here on CP refuse to see.
As much as the Chiefs need a QB, let's face the facts:
Geno Smith is not worthy of a 1.1 pick. If he was,
all this activity would not be taking place this close
to the draft.

OR

Geno is so far ahead of the other QB's in the draft that these teams have to sign/trade for anyone, in case Geno is drafted before they pick.

King_Chief_Fan · 04-01-2013, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Comes from the teams themselves, does it not?

Here's the top ten draft slots:

1. Kansas City Chiefs -- need a QB
2. Jacksonville Jaguars -- need a QB
3. Oakland Raiders -- need a QB
4. Philadelphia Eagles -- need a QB
5. Detroit Lions
6. Cleveland Browns -- need a QB
7. Arizona Cardinals -- need a QB
8. Buffalo Bills -- need a QB
9. New York Jets -- need a QB
10. Tennessee Titans

Of those 8 teams, you have a legit shot to draft Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, or Ryan Nassib.

What do these teams do?

Chiefs -- Alex Smith, Chase Daniel
Raiders -- Matt Flynn
Eagles -- re-up Michael Vick
Browns -- Jason Campbell
Cardinals -- Carson Palmer
Bills -- Kevin Kolb, Tavaris Jackson
Jets -- David Garrard

Only the Jags have left their hole at QB untouched, but seem to be favoring giving Gabbert one more shot. The Browns are a bit more debatable, as it's clear that Campbell is not a 16-game starter.

I still have doubts about Vick...I see the Chiefs trading with Eagles

**DeezNutz** · 04-01-2013, 01:37 PM

I think Palmer to AZ absolutely increases their chances of taking a QB in the first two rounds. No need to rush the n00b.

BigCatDaddy · 04-01-2013, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasi

OR

Geno is so far ahead of the other QB's in the draft that these teams have to sign/trade for anyone, in case Geno is drafted before they pick.

That seems to make the most sense.

Mother****erJones · 04-01-2013, 01:41 PM

Look Im a Geno fan. But im also a fan of taking a chance on the top QB prospect. We have a good QB coach and offensive staff

Mr. Laz · 04-01-2013, 01:44 PM

and all the teams in the NFL passed on Tom Brady for 5 rounds

not a positive but it's not definitive

BigCatDaddy · 04-01-2013, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

and all the teams in the NFL passed on Tom Brady for 5 rounds

not a positive but it's not definitive

And just think. Not a one has passed on Geno yet

themanwithnoname · 04-01-2013, 01:52 PM

What else do those teams have in common? Being perennial losers, largely because of their failure at evaluating QB talent.

eDave · 04-01-2013, 01:57 PM

This is so ****ing fun!

AdumbGuy · 04-01-2013, 01:58 PM

Wait, so they already held the draft and Geno went undrafted? ****ers! Worst april fools day ever!

Seriously 8 teams want maybe 2 guys? Am convinced we gave up 2 2nd rounders for Smiff simply because the market for qbs is shit right now and half the damn league needs em.

Palmer, Flynn, Smiff, Fitz, or Tebow? To the ship, mo****ers!

ShowtimeSBMVP · 04-01-2013, 02:00 PM

QB Geno Smith, #12
West Virginia
PFW Grade: 5.39
Ht: 6-23/8 | Wt: 218 | Sp: 4.59 | Arm: 321/2 | Hand: 91/4
Notes: His cousin, Melvin Bratton, was a star running back for the Miami Hurricanes in the late 1980s. The Florida prep was a Parade All-American selection after throwing for over 3,000 yards and 32 touchdowns. Saw limited action in five games as a true freshman in 2009, completing 32-of-49 passes for 309 yards (65.3 percent) with one touchdown and one interception while playing through a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot for part of the season. Took over as the starter in ’10 and tossed 241-372-2,763-24-7 (64.8) in 13 starts. Was the first West Virginia QB in 12 years to throw for over 2,500 yards in a season. Garnered heavy recognition for ’11 season, setting the Big East Conference and school mark for passing yards with 346-526-4,385-31-7 (65.8), in addition to becoming the first Mountaineer QB in history and only the second Big East player to surpass 4,000 yards in a season in 13 starts. Named Orange Bowl MVP after throwing for 407 yards and six touchdowns against Clemson. Set the school record and led the Big 12 Conference in touchdown passes in ’12 after tossing 369-518-4,205-42-6 (a conference-leading 71.2) in 13 starts. Threw for 656 yards and eight touchdowns in a 70-63 shootout victory against Baylor. Had a 26-13 record in 39 career starts.
Positives: Has a strong arm and can rifle the ball with good velocity into tight windows. Can throw with accuracy on the move and layer the deep ball. Good overall accuracy, ball placement and touch, especially on the fade route. Throws a very catchable ball — spins it tightly. Good escapability — can sidestep the rush, find an open throwing window and extend plays with his feet when needed. Outstanding straight-line speed — clocked the best 40-yard time (4.56 seconds) and broad jump (10-foot-4) of any quarterback at the Combine. Very durable, experienced, three-year starter — overcame an average offensive line, has never missed any time to injury and will play through pain.
Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching.
Summary: Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of overexcitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities.
NFL projection: Top-50 pick.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...outing-reports

patteeu · 04-01-2013, 02:00 PM

Good Lord, the Geno habit seems to be tougher to kick than heroin. ChiefsPlanet needs a mass intervention.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 04-01-2013, 02:01 PM

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 37s

PFW on Geno Smith: "Does not command respect from teammates, cannot inspire. Needed to be coddled in college - cannot handle hard coaching."

Fritz88 · 04-01-2013, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 37s

PFW on Geno Smith: "Does not command respect from teammates, cannot inspire. Needed to be coddled in college - cannot handle hard coaching."

Smokescreen from QB needy teams.
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**BigMeatballDave** · 04-01-2013, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 37s

PFW on Geno Smith: "Does not command respect from teammates, cannot inspire. Needed to be coddled in college - cannot handle hard coaching."

You masturbated as you posted this, right?

04-01-2013, 12:59 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4153447	The most damning evidence against Geno Smith yet. Comes from the teams themselves, does it not? Here's the top ten draft slots: 1. Kansas City Chiefs -- need a QB 2. Jacksonville Jaguars -- need a QB 3. Oakland Raiders -- need a QB 4. Philadelphia Eagles -- need a QB 5. Detroit Lions 6. Cleveland Browns -- need a QB 7. Arizona Cardinals -- need a QB 8. Buffalo Bills -- need a QB 9. New York Jets -- need a QB 10. Tennessee Titans Of those 8 teams, you have a legit shot to draft Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, or Ryan Nassib. What do these teams do? Chiefs -- Alex Smith, Chase Daniel Raiders -- Matt Flynn Eagles -- re-up Michael Vick Browns -- Jason Campbell Cardinals -- Carson Palmer Bills -- Kevin Kolb, Tavaris Jackson Jets -- David Garrard Only the Jags have left their hole at QB untouched, but seem to be favoring giving Gabbert one more shot. The Browns are a bit more debatable, as it's clear that Campbell is not a 16-game starter.
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themanwithnoname Starter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $10004995	What else do those teams have in common? Being perennial losers, largely because of their failure at evaluating QB talent.
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04-01-2013, 01:57 PM	#24
eDave Banned Join Date: Jan 2013 Casino cash: $9998560	This is so ****ing fun!
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04-01-2013, 01:58 PM	#25
AdumbGuy Starter Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Dominica, no seriously. Casino cash: $10004900	Wait, so they already held the draft and Geno went undrafted? **ers! Worst april fools day ever! Seriously 8 teams want maybe 2 guys? Am convinced we gave up 2 2nd rounders for Smiff simply because the market for qbs is shit right now and half the damn league needs em. Palmer, Flynn, Smiff, Fitz, or Tebow? To the ship, mo**ers! __________________ We threw for 8 TDs in 2012, so we got a guy that once threw 18tds! IN ONE SEASON! That's like 10 times as many! - Dante Hall's Mullet
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04-01-2013, 02:00 PM	#26
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $3426009	QB Geno Smith, #12 West Virginia PFW Grade: 5.39 Ht: 6-23/8 \| Wt: 218 \| Sp: 4.59 \| Arm: 321/2 \| Hand: 91/4 Notes: His cousin, Melvin Bratton, was a star running back for the Miami Hurricanes in the late 1980s. The Florida prep was a Parade All-American selection after throwing for over 3,000 yards and 32 touchdowns. Saw limited action in five games as a true freshman in 2009, completing 32-of-49 passes for 309 yards (65.3 percent) with one touchdown and one interception while playing through a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot for part of the season. Took over as the starter in ’10 and tossed 241-372-2,763-24-7 (64.8) in 13 starts. Was the first West Virginia QB in 12 years to throw for over 2,500 yards in a season. Garnered heavy recognition for ’11 season, setting the Big East Conference and school mark for passing yards with 346-526-4,385-31-7 (65.8), in addition to becoming the first Mountaineer QB in history and only the second Big East player to surpass 4,000 yards in a season in 13 starts. Named Orange Bowl MVP after throwing for 407 yards and six touchdowns against Clemson. Set the school record and led the Big 12 Conference in touchdown passes in ’12 after tossing 369-518-4,205-42-6 (a conference-leading 71.2) in 13 starts. Threw for 656 yards and eight touchdowns in a 70-63 shootout victory against Baylor. Had a 26-13 record in 39 career starts. Positives: Has a strong arm and can rifle the ball with good velocity into tight windows. Can throw with accuracy on the move and layer the deep ball. Good overall accuracy, ball placement and touch, especially on the fade route. Throws a very catchable ball — spins it tightly. Good escapability — can sidestep the rush, find an open throwing window and extend plays with his feet when needed. Outstanding straight-line speed — clocked the best 40-yard time (4.56 seconds) and broad jump (10-foot-4) of any quarterback at the Combine. Very durable, experienced, three-year starter — overcame an average offensive line, has never missed any time to injury and will play through pain. Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching. Summary: Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of overexcitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities. NFL projection: Top-50 pick. http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...outing-reports
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04-01-2013, 02:01 PM	#28
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $3426009	Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 37s PFW on Geno Smith: "Does not command respect from teammates, cannot inspire. Needed to be coddled in college - cannot handle hard coaching."
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