Football Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one - Page 22

Deberg_1990 · 02-19-2013, 07:53 AM

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You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders.

That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile?

The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks.

But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position.

Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine.

Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated.

Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months.

Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round.

Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel.

No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o.

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player.

3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round?

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milkman · 02-20-2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No where does your post say "Prospects".

You asked who was better coming out of college. First off, that can't be answered because Smith hasn't played in the NFL yet but I think it's safe to say that many of those players, especially Brady, were missed by scouts.

You are being both obtuse and hypocritical.

He's asking how Geno stacks up as prospect against how those guys stacked. Up when they were just prospects.

It's not that ****ing hard.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Chill out Dane, that's what he meant.

As a prospect, Geno is superior to guys who are 6 feet tall, and superior to almost every guy who only had one year of decent production...like Tannehill.

In YOUR opinion.

**BossChief** · 02-20-2013, 01:59 PM

FFS

I asked about them (ill put it caps, again...pay attention) AS THEY WERE COMING OUT OF COLLEGE. What the **** does that have to do with how they played as pros and how would it require ANY hindsight?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You are being both obtuse and hypocritical.

He's asking how Geno stacks up as prospect against how those guys stacked. Up when they were just prospects.

It's not that ****ing hard.

Well **** me.

I guess that fact that scouts missed on Brady, Kaepernick, Wilson, Warner, etc. and so on means that Geno Smith will be the greatest ****ing QB of all time.

Yay.

Hammock Parties · 02-20-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

In YOUR opinion.

And the opinion of several other draftniks who do this shit for a living.

Shit, Bucky Brooks AND Pat Kirwan said he was going #1 this week.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

FFS

I asked about them (ill put it caps, again...pay attention) AS THEY WERE COMING OUT OF COLLEGE.

And AS they were coming out of college, teams and scouts missed on Brady, Montana, Kaepernick, so on and so forth.

It doesn't mean that those guys WEREN'T ready to lead a team to a championship game or the Super Bowl, it was that scouts and GM's weren't AWARE they were ready. They were misses.

And furthermore, if you're going to ask this question, maybe you should do it in a Private Message, you know, since only people that have "watched film" should respond.

You guys are acting like ****ing tools.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

And the opinion of several other draftniks who do this shit for a living.

Shit, Bucky Brooks AND Pat Kirwan said he was going #1 this week.

Again, who cares?

What did the Chiefs GM say in the past week about the QB prospects?

DJ's left nut · 02-20-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

And the opinion of several other draftniks who do this shit for a living.

Shit, Bucky Brooks AND Pat Kirwan said he was going #1 this week.

And both of those guys do know their shit. I really like Kirwan.

Ultimately I think it's pretty idiotic to jump anyone's shit for where they stand on this right now (except for Kiper, who says there will be no first round QBs and is therefore a reerun).

It's clear that there's a massive split of opinion on this issue.

**BossChief** · 02-20-2013, 02:03 PM

I need to get Sirius again, I miss listening to Kirwan in the truck.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And both of those guys do know their shit. I really like Kirwan.

Ultimately I think it's pretty idiotic to jump anyone's shit for where they stand on this right now (except for Kiper, who says there will be no first round QBs and is therefore a reerun).

It's clear that there's a massive split of opinion on this issue.

With all due respect, Kirwan's ****ing moron. When he ran the personnel department for the Jets, they were ****ing awful (The Kotite years and more).

The guy couldn't get a job in the NFL if he worked for free.

milkman · 02-20-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well **** me.

I guess that fact that scouts missed on Brady, Kaepernick, Wilson, Warner, etc. and so on means that Geno Smith will be the greatest ****ing QB of all time.

Yay.

No, it doesn't mean anything more than scouts make poor assesments all the ****ing time.

But you go ahead and keep posting other's opinions.

It makes look like ****in genius.

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Hammock Parties · 02-20-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Again, who cares?

What did the Chiefs GM say in the past week about the QB prospects?

Well, certainly not YOU, Dane.

JFC.

Mention even the mere possibility of Geno Smith and you go off like Adolf.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-20-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, it doesn't mean anything more than scouts make poor assesments all the ****ing time.

But you go ahead and keep posting other's opinions.

It makes look like ****in genius.

How am I posting other people's opinions?

Hell, from what I've read here, you and your posse have it all figured out:

It's just a matter of time before Andy Reid and John Dorsey are in full agreement.

milkman · 02-20-2013, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And AS they were coming out of college, teams and scouts missed on Brady, Montana, Kaepernick, so on and so forth.

It doesn't mean that those guys WEREN'T ready to lead a team to a championship game or the Super Bowl, it was that scouts and GM's weren't AWARE they were ready. They were misses.

And furthermore, if you're going to ask this question, maybe you should do it in a Private Message, you know, since only people that have "watched film" should respond.

You guys are acting like ****ing tools.

So, were you a tool when you were slurping Sanchez while every draftnik questioned him?

02-19-2013, 07:53 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $2154454	Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl.../?sct=uk_wr_a1 You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders. That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile? The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round." Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks. But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position. Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine. Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated. Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months. Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round. Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel. No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o. Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides: 1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see. 2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player. 3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round? Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2LLwcLLId
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