Chiefs New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft - Page 13

FringeNC · 05:47 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...inglePage=true

The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete.

Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott ***** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job.

That includes preparation for the NFL draft.

The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team.

"We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that."

It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced.

Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson.

Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise.

"Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay.

"History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement."

Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback.

Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL.

"What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1."

By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position.

Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season.

"Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization."

Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it?

Not necessarily.

Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection.

"My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility."

It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs.

Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones.

One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.

"Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that."

Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay.

That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes.

"It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right."

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IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

agree with this 100%

Daily I hear "Geno isn't that good" on the radio. Then they talk about everything he does right and I'm like WTF?

For as bad as the"experts" say Geno is, they sure haven't made a great case for anyone else going #1 over all

There is no clear cut #1, there lies the problem.

splatbass · 01-15-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Har har har

Dumbass.

You are one of the their kings. ****ing idiot.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-15-2013, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

You are one of the their kings. ****ing idiot.

Yeah, how of silly of me to discuss the NFL draft on a football forum.

Go **** yourself with a nail gun.

splatbass · 01-15-2013, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That is a dumbass argument, under this argument no GM should ever be ripped even the shitty ones.

I remember this was the argument made when ***** started catching heat from a handful of posters, how'd that turn out?

The guy said a lot of people on CP could do better than NFL professionals. That is absurd. I know you think you are the shit, but no one here really knows as much as they think they do about drafting.

Mecca · 01-15-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmABabySeal

There is no clear cut #1, there lies the problem.

TODAY.

In 2 months after all the workouts and combine etc etc everything will be different. Last year at this time no one thought Griffin or Tannehill were 1st round guys let alone top 10 guys.

By having all these draft guys on the radio or the net etc talk about how no QB is worth it. All they're doing is making this fan base not want a QB again, it's maddening.

splatbass · 01-15-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, how of silly of me to discuss the NFL draft on a football forum.

Go **** yourself.

I was responding to his absurd assertion that a lot of people on CP could draft better than professionals, shitbrains, not that they were discussing it.

Mecca · 01-15-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

The guy said a lot of people on CP could do better than NFL professionals. That is absurd. I know you think you are the shit, but no one here really knows as much as they think they do about drafting.

I think half this forum could have outdrafted Pioli, it's really not saying a whole lot.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-15-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

The guy said a lot of people on CP could do better than NFL professionals. That is absurd. I know you think you are the shit, but no one here really knows as much as they think they do about drafting.

You're so ****ing stupid I'm surprised you can turn on a computer.

Were you drooling when you typed that response?

Chris Meck · 01-15-2013, 09:39 PM

I just want an actual list of Geno Smith's faults along with some actual evidence of said faults. 'Cause the ones everyone throws around ain't on the screen. If there are some legit issues, I wanna see 'em.

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I'm seriously beginning to wonder if there's some other reason people don't like him...

IAmABabySeal · 01-15-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

TODAY.

In 2 months after all the workouts and combine etc etc everything will be different. Last year at this time no one thought Griffin or Tannehill were 1st round guys let alone top 10 guys.

By having all these draft guys on the radio or the net etc talk about how no QB is worth it. All they're doing is making this fan base not want a QB again, it's maddening.

Meh, depends what circles you're talking about...everyone knew RGIII was gonna go second to Luck after week 5. Tanny was a project, but had all the tools. It was after the combine that people started to get stupid and say the Colts should take RGIII over the Lucks.

I feel the pain though, drafting a QB is like playing the lottery...even moreso than any other player in the draft.

splatbass · 01-15-2013, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're so ****ing stupid I'm surprised you can turn on a computer.

Were you drooling when you typed that response?

When are you and Mecca going to go to work on an NFL team so they can get the benefit of your drafturbator genius?

**BossChief** · 01-15-2013, 09:56 PM

I cant believe that there hasn't been more chatter about this exert:

"Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said.

That is sig worthy

ChiefMojo · 01-15-2013, 10:02 PM

I want Geno in the worst way but I'm starting to get a bad feeling that it will be Joeckel with the 1st and then we just have to hope it is someone like Wilson in the 2nd.

NJChiefsFan · 01-15-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I cant believe that there hasn't been more chatter about this exert:

"Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said.

That is sig worthy

That, plus the stuff Reid said in a few interviews, especially the one with Franseca on 660 NY, are very comforting to hear.

RustShack · 01-15-2013, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefSuspect

No, he didn't. And if you say this 100 more times, it will still be just as completely and totally wrong as it was the first time. Joe Banner never, ever had full personnel control in Philly. Never.

Look it up.

That's like saying ***** didn't have full control of the Chiefs. ***** had more say than just GM duties. Banner was running the Eagles even if he didn't have the GM title.

01-15-2013, 05:17 PM
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1456014	New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...inglePage=true The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete. Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott *** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job. That includes preparation for the NFL draft. The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team. "We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that." It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced. Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson. Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise. "Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay. "History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement." Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback. Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL. "What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1." By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position. Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season. "Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization." Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it? Not necessarily. Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection. "My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility." It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs. Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones. One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.** "Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that." Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay. That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes. "It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right." ——— Last edited by FringeNC; 01-15-2013 at 05:47 PM.. Reason: bold parts as requested for the pathologically lazy
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ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	I want Geno in the worst way but I'm starting to get a bad feeling that it will be Joeckel with the 1st and then we just have to hope it is someone like Wilson in the 2nd.
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