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Old 04-25-2009, 02:27 PM  
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:12 PM   #1111
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The Chiefs were ready to fire Haley after the Baltimore playoff loss. You don't find that a little ridiculous?

What followed was a year-long smear campaign. Who the **** cares if he watches a concert with his players? Why was an insider going to incredibly great lengths to leak the story about Haley getting pizza with his family? I suppose Bill Cowher should have been fired right away, because he was by far the worst I've ever seen from a sideline tirade standpoint. These were really petty excuses, not legit reasons to fire a coach.

The fact that you had to add legit football reasons to the back-end of the post show how petty it became. To address those points, Haley made some big mistakes. Especially in experimenting with the soft offseason. Big mistake, but not fireable. In terms of the losing streak, as I've said many times before, if you truly believe that the Chiefs had elite talent without Charles and Berry to make the playoffs this season, then so be it. I don't think they did. Against Miami, the thing that stands out to me by a mile was that they were sending blitzers at our QB and we consistently had too few blockers, which is 100% on the QB for not making the pre-snap adjustments. What I saw in the games that followed was the same.

While Haley made mistakes, he was crippled by his QB.
Just as long as Haley doesn't take any blame for not adjusting the game plan.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:13 PM   #1112
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Oh, that's good.

So then let's fire our scouts because Romeo can figure everything out by watching one week of QBs play football.

Let's fire Ray Farmer because Haley should pencil in 40 hours every week to watch film of NFL QBs in the league and other players who might be a fit for the Chiefs.

Ray Farmer and Scott Pioli are by far the guys who know best what QB options in the league are available that can be better than Tyler Palko.
You must think being a NFL coach is a 9-5 job.

Gonna put you on ignore now.

Tell Haley I said hi.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:14 PM   #1113
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No, we do know.

Pioli signs free agents. He has absolute authority to overrule the coach on any roster decision. And again, he could have easily signed a veteran QB as a 4th string QB without forcing Haley to keep that guy on the 53-man roster. Plus, the Chiefs have a guy named Ray Farmer whose job is to know what veteran QBs would be best suited for the Chiefs. That's his full-time job. Haley doesn't have the ability or time to scout other NFL QBs the way he does. Plus, coaches are often overly loyal to players. Dick Vermeil wanted Tony Banks to start but the front office forced Trent Green on Vermeil. When the talent gap is that obvious, it is absolutely on the front office to step in.

There is simply no excuse on Pioli's end to not have brought in legit QB competition.
No he does not, you're give Haley too little power in this analysis. How do you know Vermeil wanted Banks to start? Who told you that, Vermeil? Did you read it? You don't know any of this. You're a fan that decided Haley got screwed. The GM signs players and retains players, yes he kept Palko on the roster, but he does not make game day starting decisions.And it wasn't his decision on the depth chart. As far as I'm concerned Pioli thought Palko was a third string, practice squad QB, and nothing more.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:16 PM   #1114
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You must think being a NFL coach is a 9-5 job.

Gonna put you on ignore now.

Tell Haley I said hi.
You must think scouts and pro personnel guys sit around their desk and eat cheetos.

Scott Pioli and Ray Farmer are personnel guys. They have jobs because they are supposed to know what talent we have on the roster, and what NFL QBs are available on other rosters. That is their FULL TIME JOB and they get paid a shit ton of money for it. Haley only knows what he has on his own roster.

Why do you think head coaches always fail when they get personnel responsibility? It never, ever works. Didn't work for Holmgren. Didn't work for Shanahan.

This is so ****ing ridiculous. That people are actually making the suggestion that the GM isn't the main one to blame for the guys signed on to the roster.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:24 PM   #1115
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No he does not, you're give Haley too little power in this analysis. How do you know Vermeil wanted Banks to start? Who told you that, Vermeil? Did you read it? You don't know any of this. You're a fan that decided Haley got screwed. The GM signs players and retains players, yes he kept Palko on the roster, but he does not make game day starting decisions.And it wasn't his decision on the depth chart. As far as I'm concerned Pioli thought Palko was a third string, practice squad QB, and nothing more.
There are plenty of reports that said Vermeil wanted Banks, Martz is the guy who wanted Green, and Vermeil also didn't want Marshall Faulk.

If Pioli thought Palko was a third string practice squad QB, then you are saying he was comfortable walking into the season with a fifth round rookie in a strike-shortened season as the backup should Cassel get injured. None of that looks good.

I don't know what's so hard about this. The GM decides who the team signs. He's the guy who has ultimate authority over the final roster. In the end, he gets input from Haley, but he's the guy who makes the final decision. The fact that the Chiefs walked into last season with the 3 QBs they did is very largely on Pioli.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:28 PM   #1116
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There are plenty of reports that said Vermeil wanted Banks, Martz is the guy who wanted Green, and Vermeil also didn't want Marshall Faulk.

If Pioli thought Palko was a third string practice squad QB, then you are saying he was comfortable walking into the season with a fifth round rookie in a strike-shortened season as the backup should Cassel get injured. None of that looks good.

I don't know what's so hard about this. The GM decides who the team signs. He's the guy who has ultimate authority over the final roster. In the end, he gets input from Haley, but he's the guy who makes the final decision. The fact that the Chiefs walked into last season with the 3 QBs they did is very largely on Pioli.
Whatever, you're stuck where you're at, I'm where I'm at.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:35 PM   #1117
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Whatever, you're stuck where you're at, I'm where I'm at.
I think you'll find it very hard to find any other person besides JD who actually believes the coach has more power in personnel decision than his boss, the GM.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:39 PM   #1118
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I think you'll find it very hard to find any other person besides JD who actually believes the coach has more power in personnel decision than his boss, the GM.
Okay. We've been over this. Signing not starting. Yes, there should have been a better option to start the season, and that's on Pioli. Having Palko as the back up wasn't on Pioli. Do you agree?
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Okay. We've been over this. Signing not starting. Yes, there should have been a better option to start the season, and that's on Pioli. Having Palko as the back up wasn't on Pioli. Do you agree?
No, having Palko at backup wasn't on Pioli. But again, he forced Haley to go with either shit or very likely shit. Not a great situation to put your coach in.

And again, I don't buy into the idea that Haley preferred Palko over Orton. It seemed clear that he made the QB switch in Chicago only to have him injured. I think it's a wild conspiracy to suggest Orton was only in there for one play only.

The only problem with the Palko decision was that he started Palko over Stanzi. But clearly, it felt like a lose-lose situation.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:05 PM   #1120
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We're still talking about Haley? Thought he wasn't on this team anymore?



What the **** is this thread even about?
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:04 AM   #1122
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We're still talking about Haley? Thought he wasn't on this team anymore?



What the **** is this thread even about?
I am claiming that Haley was a flawed coach who was made to look a lot worse because of horrible front office decisions by Pioli.
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I am claiming that Haley was a flawed coach who was made to look a lot worse because of horrible front office decisions by Pioli.
Noted.
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I am claiming that Haley was a flawed coach who was made to look a lot worse because of horrible front office decisions by Pioli.

Oh well, I completely agree. Can't believe some people are still rockin' the Pioli glasses. Dude is a joke. This is by far the worst offseason's I've seen in a long time.
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