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Old 02-10-2020, 09:27 AM  
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Per Verderame: Veach would prefer to keep Chris Jones

Interesting article here. Not a huge fan of Verderame but he was at the Super Bowl and he does go to the combine. I think he gets some tips, albeit from Terez (who is a nice guy).

Here is the most interesting part of the article. 2021 and 2022 would be extremely difficult to manage.

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What the Chiefs can do with their money

Looking at Kansas City’s cap situation, it can release wide receiver Sammy Watkins and linebacker Damien Wilson, clearing out $18.5 million in space. Combined with rollover money and already existing room, that’s enough cash for Veach to tag Jones, re-sign a few other pending free agents and extend Patrick Mahomes.

Speaking of Mahomes, the 24-year-old quarterback is likely to soon be the highest-paid player in the league. This is another important factor to consider.

Let’s play GM for a moment and do the following to the Chiefs’ roster:

•Cut Sammy Watkins
•Cut Damien Wilson
•Cut Cam Erving

Extend Patrick Mahomes on a five-year, $200 million deal
Use franchise tag on Chris Jones
Allow $10 million for free agents and draft picks
Keep $2 million in emergency space
Using the Jared Goff and Carson Wentz extension structures as a template, Mahomes’ cap hit would approximately be $11 million this season. Factor in Jones’ tag and the $12 million outlined above, and Kansas City is laying out $35 million.

The Chiefs could do it. But while it’s palatable for 2020, what about 2021 and beyond?

If Kansas City gave Mahomes the aforementioned extension, his cap number would be enormous in 2021, potentially the full $40 million figure. If the Chiefs also signed Jones to Clark’s exact deal, the cap number would be $22.7 million in 2021.

If we account for a slight rise in the NFL salary cap both this year and next, it’ll be around $210 million. Under these parameters, Kansas City would be looking at the following cap hits in 2021:

Patrick Mahomes ($40M)
Frank Clark ($24.2M)
Chris Jones ($22.7)
Tyrann Mathieu ($19.7M)
Tyreek Hill ($15.7M)
In total, the top five players on the Chiefs would be earning $122.3 million, or 58 percent of the salary cap.

Going into this offseason with a projected $200 million salary cap, only one team is currently allocating more than 50 percent to their top five players: the Los Angeles Rams at 54 percent.

Kansas City can always create cap space with extensions and releases, but tying up such a large chunk of money in five players is dangerous. The Chiefs would be largely unable to sign any other meaningful free agents for a few years — including their own — while being completely reliant on the draft to restock departing talent.

In his three years at the helm, Veach has proven to believe in acquiring top-shelf talent and filling in around them with low-cost, high-upside veteran deals (see: Damien Williams, Stefen Wisniewski, Mike Pennel) and rookie deals.

Jones certainly fits Veach’s profile. The question is if he fits into Kansas City’s payroll.
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:17 AM   #226
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Here ya go...
2020 isn’t the issue. 2021 and 2022 are.

Clark-24.2 million
Jones-22.7 million —following Clark’s deal
Landlord-19.7 million
Mahomes-25 million —low mark for his 2nd year

That’s roughly $92 million for 4 players alone. Thats over 40% of your cap.
That’s not counting Tyreek, Kelce or either OT.

That’s the problem...
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:19 AM   #227
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heard on a podcast we still owe Berry $8 million.
He's the Haglunds that keeps on giving.......

EDIT: EB will have made ~$41MM through 2020 playing 3 games for the Chiefs from 2017-2020
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:21 AM   #228
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2020 isn’t the issue. 2021 and 2022 are.

Clark-24.2 million
Jones-22.7 million —following Clark’s deal
Landlord-19.7 million
Mahomes-25 million —low mark for his 2nd year

That’s roughly $92 million for 4 players alone. Thats over 40% of your cap.
That’s not counting Tyreek, Kelce or either OT.

That’s the problem...
How much will the cap go up?
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:22 AM   #229
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Has anyone watched him on the post super bowl Barstool Sports podcast?

Watched it last night, my first real look at him in an informal, off the cuff setting... loved him, super personable and open

I hope he’s a Chief for a very long time
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:30 AM   #230
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The cap is going to have to go up so much for this extension to be feasible.
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:33 AM   #231
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Has anyone watched him on the post super bowl Barstool Sports podcast?

Watched it last night, my first real look at him in an informal, off the cuff setting... loved him, super personable and open

I hope he’s a Chief for a very long time


This. Jones causes havoc in the middle. Whether it is crashing the pocket or batting down passes- he is a high motor wrecking ball.
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:36 AM   #232
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This. Jones causes havoc in the middle. Whether it is crashing the pocket or batting down passes- he is a high motor wrecking ball.
Guys like Pennel, Nnadi and Saunders are great to have, but Jones IS our interior rush... ya just gotta have it
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He's the Haglunds that keeps on giving.......

EDIT: EB will have made ~$41MM through 2020 playing 3 games for the Chiefs from 2017-2020
This ranks up there as one of the worst contracts the Chiefs ever gave out.
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I'd love to keep Jonesy.

I just don't see how it's going to be possible.

I think Jones and Watkins have played their last games in KC.
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Old 02-13-2020, 11:09 AM   #235
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This ranks up there as one of the worst contracts the Chiefs ever gave out.
Thank you John Dorsey
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It’s going to take Jones and Mahomes taking less than projected right now. And even then it’s going to be tight.
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Trading Watkins? Who is going to give us a damn thing for him? They just wait till we cut him and get him for no trade value.

Extend Kelce 2 years early? Why? Deal with that cap hit later. Giving aging star/beloved players new contracts when there is no demand/need is what baseball gets wrong every year. How many 32 year old TE’s have ever got a new contract with big money?

We are not just going to have an issue with cap room next year. It’s going to be an issue for the next decade. Veach can’t fanagle, smoke and mirrors the cap. Hard decisions will need to be made in trades and cuts of beloved and or needed players.

I don't think we will have cap issues because of Mahomes. With the new CBA and new TV deals in the next couple of years I bet the salary cap goes up $40-50 million
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I don't think we win the SB without Jones. I'm also not sure he's worth a huge, long-term contract if we can get a significant return on a tag and trade. Two firsts (and cap room)? Man, I'd be tempted, even though I love his play.

I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make this decision. Veach is a scout at heart. I'm wondering if he likes the challenge of replacing a guy like that.
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