Chiefs Should the Chiefs look at S Minkah Fitzpatrick as a CB?

htismaqe · 09-13-2019, 08:05 AM

They can’t just keep trading away 1st round picks. You guys need to stop getting your hopes up.

O.city · 09-13-2019, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They can’t just keep trading away 1st round picks. You guys need to stop getting your hopes up.

You’d have to be confident you could get a high pick back for Jones if you tagged and traded him

Chris Meck · 09-13-2019, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They can’t just keep trading away 1st round picks. You guys need to stop getting your hopes up.

But they can. And if it's for cheap young talent, they should.

If we pick #32, is that REALLY even a first round player? Maybe, maybe not. It's at best a 50/50 bet.

A player like Fitzpatrick has shown he's a good player at the NFL level, is young, and under control for multiple seasons on a rookie deal.

He's more like a 80/20 bet.

It's much better odds that he helps you win.

htismaqe · 09-13-2019, 08:10 AM

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But they can. And if it's for cheap young talent, they should.

If we pick #32, is that REALLY even a first round player? Maybe, maybe not. It's at best a 50/50 bet.

A player like Fitzpatrick has shown he's a good player at the NFL level, is young, and under control for multiple seasons on a rookie deal.

He's more like a 80/20 bet.

It's much better odds that he helps you win.

Of course. In a perfect world, one in which they hadn’t just gave away a first for Frank Clark.

Chris Meck · 09-13-2019, 08:13 AM

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Of course. In a perfect world, one in which they hadn’t just gave away a first for Frank Clark.

Well, only time will tell if that was a good decision or not. I'd say he's likely to be a more productive player than whomever we would've drafted at what was it, #29? And sooner, no learning curve.

In the future, once Mahomes is on that second contract, we won't be able to afford deals like that, for expensive veterans.

Deals like a very late first or a second for a guy like Fitzpatrick are good moves, in my opinion.

RunKC · 09-13-2019, 08:16 AM

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Of course. In a perfect world, one in which they hadn’t just gave away a first for Frank Clark.

This franchise has been bad at drafting defensive players. Chris Jones and Marcus Peters are the only real hits (Thornhill looks like a good one but has played 1 game).

Andy will find value on offense. He’s proven that time and time again. We have not been good at finding that same value on defense.

I would consider a 1st since it would be basically 4 years of cheap cost control. That’s a big time talent that also allows you cap control to lock of Jones.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 09-13-2019, 08:12 AM

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They can’t just keep trading away 1st round picks. You guys need to stop getting your hopes up.

Why not?

Fitzpatrick essentially is a 1st at this point, year 2 of his contract as a top 10 pick.

htismaqe · 09-13-2019, 08:17 AM

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Why not?

Fitzpatrick essentially is a 1st at this point, year 2 of his contract as a top 10 pick.

Because teams just don’t do it. I get that Veach is unconventional but this isn’t Madden. I’d love to have Fitzpatrick. Would have liked to have Peterson. Or Thomas. Or any number of other guys that could have been had before the deadline. They went all-in on Frank Clark, to the point that they might not be able to keep Jones. Again, I’m not against the idea. I just don’t see it happening.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 09-13-2019, 08:19 AM

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Because teams just don’t do it. I get that Veach is unconventional but this isn’t Madden. I’d love to have Fitzpatrick. Would have liked to have Peterson. Or Thomas. Or any number of other guys that could have been had before the deadline. They went all-in on Frank Clark, to the point that they might not be able to keep Jones. Again, I’m not against the idea. I just don’t see it happening.

I don’t see Fitzpatrick as anything but a 1st rounder. He’s 22 and has 4 years of cheap control left.

Now, with all this said, I’m not trading for him unless you trust him as an outside CB. That’s what we need, not another safety.

Dunerdr · 09-13-2019, 08:26 AM

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I don’t see Fitzpatrick as anything but a 1st rounder. He’s 22 and has 4 years of cheap control left.

Now, with all this said, I’m not trading for him unless you trust him as an outside CB. That’s what we need, not another safety.

i see where your coming from, but fuller was fair on the boundry some say even better last year. so that gives you breeland and fuller outside, minkah playing slot corner/ some safety like what HB has done in the past, then HB and thornhill. thats a much better looking group than what we have imo.

Chris Meck · 09-13-2019, 08:31 AM

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i see where your coming from, but fuller was fair on the boundry some say even better last year. so that gives you breeland and fuller outside, minkah playing slot corner/ some safety like what HB has done in the past, then HB and thornhill. thats a much better looking group than what we have imo.

This is what I'm saying.

It's very useful to have four guys who can line up anywhere. It's confusing for an offense. You don't know before the play-call where which guys are going to be. You're not sure where your mismatches are.

I like this idea a lot.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 09-13-2019, 08:40 AM

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i see where your coming from, but fuller was fair on the boundry some say even better last year. so that gives you breeland and fuller outside, minkah playing slot corner/ some safety like what HB has done in the past, then HB and thornhill. thats a much better looking group than what we have imo.

They don’t play Fuller outside though. He’s strictly a slot in this scheme so far.

Chris Meck · 09-13-2019, 08:43 AM

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They don’t play Fuller outside though. He’s strictly a slot in this scheme so far.

I think that's due to him previously being so good there, better than anyone else they have to man that spot.

If that changes, then you can flex guys in or out.

Again, I just think back to the emphasis on scheme flexibility all offseason. It's why they went and got Honey Badger. It's why they drafted Thornhill. It's what they've said over and over about the front four and the LB corps.

Dunerdr · 09-13-2019, 08:48 AM

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They don’t play Fuller outside though. He’s strictly a slot in this scheme so far.

but if they suddenly had a capable slot, and fuller is better on the boundry than ward do you not do it?

Chris Meck · 09-13-2019, 08:28 AM

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I don’t see Fitzpatrick as anything but a 1st rounder. He’s 22 and has 4 years of cheap control left.

Now, with all this said, I’m not trading for him unless you trust him as an outside CB. That’s what we need, not another safety.

He played much more often as a CB in either the slot or outside than he did at either traditional safety position.

Think of it less like traditional roles and more in terms of overall secondary talent.

Also, think of it less like this is THE move and more like it's A move.

He doesn't affect the cap all that much. THIS isn't what clearing space was about.

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