Chiefs Veach and the CBs, is he clueless? - Page 4

Buckweath · 08-25-2018, 10:11 PM

He traded Peters, an All-pro cornerback, during the offseason, granted Hunt may have been behind that decision.

He signed Amerson who has looked absolutely dreadful so far. Dreadful even against backups.

And then anyone remember how he was saying that he felt good about stacking Will Redmond and Keith Reaser in regards to what was out there in the draft class. How does that sound now? Those guys look like our 7th and 8th CBs for a group that is not good to say the least.

I still dont get how he went from trying to sign Kyle Fuller to settling for Amerson.

Really, if he doesn't make a trade for a CB, I will really question him.

I feel good about the front seven even though I thought Ragland and Hitchens were not that good today, probably rusty.

But I think we know one bad starting CB can practically ruin an entire defense, right?

TLO · 08-26-2018, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The Chiefs are going for a 99 Rams type of offense.

They weren't getting that with Conley at #2.

If the Watkins signing pans out you're looking at one of the greatest offenses in NFL history.

Woah there. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves.

Hammock Parties · 08-26-2018, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO

Woah there. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves.

No. Let's go for it.

Two deep threats, both with intermediate skills. One of them a bigger receiver so you can use him for other plays.

Top flight TE who is unlimited.

Elite rusher with receiving skills who can catch the ball down the field ala Faulk.

QB with nearly unlimited potential.

If the OL gets it's shit together there's no reason this offense cant't be in the same league with the 99 Rams or 98 Vikings.

TEX · 08-26-2018, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No. Let's go for it.

Two deep threats, both with intermediate skills. One of them a bigger receiver so you can use him for other plays.

Top flight TE who is unlimited.

Elite rusher with receiving skills who can catch the ball down the field ala Faulk.

QB with nearly unlimited potential.

If the OL gets it's shit together there's no reason this offense cant't be in the same league with the 99 Rams or 98 Vikings.

Oh - I agree - BUT the OL is the BIGGEST ??? here.

OKchiefs · 08-26-2018, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No. Let's go for it.

Two deep threats, both with intermediate skills. One of them a bigger receiver so you can use him for other plays.

Top flight TE who is unlimited.

Elite rusher with receiving skills who can catch the ball down the field ala Faulk.

QB with nearly unlimited potential.

If the OL gets it's shit together there's no reason this offense cant't be in the same league with the 99 Rams or 98 Vikings.

Rams had Orlando Pace. We have...

Best22 · 08-26-2018, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

When Veach signed Amerison so quickly, it was the first time I thought he wasn't all that. To me, the signing reeked of desperation. He likes to get guys cheap, that were good at one time, but "something" happened and they have questions now. Low-risk - high - reward types. I get that - so do all GM's. The problem is if you count an too many of these types for critical rolls, and they don't pan out, you get a bunch of JAG types who show you why they are who they are now - and it kills your team.

Amerson was signed when Peters was still on the team

I thought it was a solid signing as a "4th corner"

We were talking about having a top 5 secondary with Fuller, Peters, Nelson, and Amerson

smithandrew051 · 08-26-2018, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22

Amerson was signed when Peters was still on the team

I thought it was a solid signing as a "4th corner"

We were talking about having a top 5 secondary with Fuller, Peters, Nelson, and Amerson

You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence.

It wasn’t just that Peters was a really good corner for us. With him as your number 1, Fuller became your number 2. Nelson becomes your 3. Amerson becomes your 4.

Anything you get from the rookies is just a bonus.

Sliding in a high level coverage corner at 1, makes every other corner position better because they all slide down one spot.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-26-2018, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

In my humble opinion (and in the opinion of many members of the lost Amazon tribes whose survival is directly linked to their ability to withstand extreme humidity and who can and do consume large insects completely raw), this is a darn good take.

This could well be the case. The alternative is troublesome, indeed.

FAX THE CIVILIZED

I missed you. Boop

kccrow · 08-26-2018, 01:03 PM

I don't think Veach is clueless. I think he's following what his coach wants to do and what he thinks is a best plan for rebuilding the team. The pass rush was terrible last year and so was the run defense. I think Veach realized that he couldn't fix everything in one year, so he tried to bolster the front 7 with hopes they could make offenses more one dimensional against them. I'd look for him to address more of the secondary next season and I wouldn't doubt add another pass rusher.

TEX · 08-26-2018, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Best22

Amerson was signed when Peters was still on the team

I thought it was a solid signing as a "4th corner"

We were talking about having a top 5 secondary with Fuller, Peters, Nelson, and Amerson

Amerson was let go by Oakland (after being let go by Washington) and KC signed him very quickly afterwards. I don't think the plan was ever for him to play with Peters. While true that he was on the team when Peters was still there, Peters was traded shortly afterwards - I believe only a few weeks after Amerson signed.

IMO, he was signed only because they knew they were letting Peters go. No way the Chiefs decided to let Marcus Peters go on a whim.

But if you're correct in that they did plan to play him with Peters, then I can see him being a 4th CB.

But all that happened way back in February - it's August and Amerison is starting and is in WAY over his head. They had to know this would be the case. Yet they went with it.

RunKC · 08-26-2018, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I don't think Veach is clueless. I think he's following what his coach wants to do and what he thinks is a best plan for rebuilding the team. The pass rush was terrible last year and so was the run defense. I think Veach realized that he couldn't fix everything in one year, so he tried to bolster the front 7 with hopes they could make offenses more one dimensional against them. I'd look for him to address more of the secondary next season and I wouldn't doubt add another pass rusher.

Everyone should read this bc it is 100% right.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-26-2018, 01:19 PM

Let's also not forget that Dorsey also tried the approach of signing lots of overpriced but cheap contracts with the hope that a few would outplay their contracts. We missed with guys like Vance walker. But we got some pretty good bargains in Jarvis Jenkins, vickerson, Terrance Mitchell etc.... Veach will swing or miss on these value pickups but I'm good with him taking a lot of shots.

**HemiEd** · 08-26-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

Amerson stands for the anthem. Case closed.

He actually attempts to tackle, case closed.

**HemiEd** · 08-26-2018, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Marcus Peters Pros:
Created Turnovers

Marcus Peters Cons:
Refuses to tackle
Quit on team
Unsportsmanlike Penalties
Doesn't play the defense that was called
Locker room Cancer
Argues with coaches
Loves the Raiders

Yep, and that is what we know about. It would be surprising if there wasn't more locker room crap we don't know about. It wasn't like this crap just started with him and the Chiefs either, he dropped to the Chiefs due to issues.

But the lefties got to talk about the not kneeling part. Way down the list.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-26-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

He actually attempts to tackle, case closed.

Good grief. Nobody can possibly believe that peters' only pro was creating turnovers. Holy ****ing shit with this stuff. Enjoy amerson. Most fans I would hope know damn well this is a major downgrade. I get why his attitude made him tradeable but good lord with all this ridiculous nonsense about being bad at defense.

Hoover · 08-26-2018, 01:39 PM

Yeah, Brett Veach is such a ****ing idiot that when he watches this team play he doesn't see an issue in the defensive backfield.... Come on guys.

The Peters trade is difficult for fans, which is understandable. As I've stated countless times, the move made this offseason were not for the 2018 season, but two years from now. They got something for Peters before he walked. Fine. Does that suck? Yeah. But while we fans are not really into transitional years, that's what 2018 is. Get ready for shootouts. We have an offense what can do its part, but yeah the defense has some real holes.

Next year we will have a first round pick, probably in the 15-25 selection range. We also will get another 2nd rounder for Peters. Get ready for some fatties and cornerbacks!

Anyone who thinks this team is making a deep run into the playoffs this year is just setting themselves up for disappointment. Now that doesn't mean I don't think they can win the division or even make the playoffs as a wildcard - in fact I expect them in the playoffs, which would be an amazing season for our new young QB.

08-25-2018, 10:11 PM
Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	Veach and the CBs, is he clueless? He traded Peters, an All-pro cornerback, during the offseason, granted Hunt may have been behind that decision. He signed Amerson who has looked absolutely dreadful so far. Dreadful even against backups. And then anyone remember how he was saying that he felt good about stacking Will Redmond and Keith Reaser in regards to what was out there in the draft class. How does that sound now? Those guys look like our 7th and 8th CBs for a group that is not good to say the least. I still dont get how he went from trying to sign Kyle Fuller to settling for Amerson. Really, if he doesn't make a trade for a CB, I will really question him. I feel good about the front seven even though I thought Ragland and Hitchens were not that good today, probably rusty. But I think we know one bad starting CB can practically ruin an entire defense, right?
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08-26-2018, 01:03 PM	#53
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3017078	I don't think Veach is clueless. I think he's following what his coach wants to do and what he thinks is a best plan for rebuilding the team. The pass rush was terrible last year and so was the run defense. I think Veach realized that he couldn't fix everything in one year, so he tried to bolster the front 7 with hopes they could make offenses more one dimensional against them. I'd look for him to address more of the secondary next season and I wouldn't doubt add another pass rusher.
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08-26-2018, 01:19 PM	#56
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1804497	Let's also not forget that Dorsey also tried the approach of signing lots of overpriced but cheap contracts with the hope that a few would outplay their contracts. We missed with guys like Vance walker. But we got some pretty good bargains in Jarvis Jenkins, vickerson, Terrance Mitchell etc.... Veach will swing or miss on these value pickups but I'm good with him taking a lot of shots.
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08-26-2018, 01:39 PM	#60
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1378179	Yeah, Brett Veach is such a ****ing idiot that when he watches this team play he doesn't see an issue in the defensive backfield.... Come on guys. The Peters trade is difficult for fans, which is understandable. As I've stated countless times, the move made this offseason were not for the 2018 season, but two years from now. They got something for Peters before he walked. Fine. Does that suck? Yeah. But while we fans are not really into transitional years, that's what 2018 is. Get ready for shootouts. We have an offense what can do its part, but yeah the defense has some real holes. Next year we will have a first round pick, probably in the 15-25 selection range. We also will get another 2nd rounder for Peters. Get ready for some fatties and cornerbacks! Anyone who thinks this team is making a deep run into the playoffs this year is just setting themselves up for disappointment. Now that doesn't mean I don't think they can win the division or even make the playoffs as a wildcard - in fact I expect them in the playoffs, which would be an amazing season for our new young QB.
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