Chiefs Veach and the CBs, is he clueless? - Page 2

Buckweath · 08-25-2018, 10:11 PM

He traded Peters, an All-pro cornerback, during the offseason, granted Hunt may have been behind that decision.

He signed Amerson who has looked absolutely dreadful so far. Dreadful even against backups.

And then anyone remember how he was saying that he felt good about stacking Will Redmond and Keith Reaser in regards to what was out there in the draft class. How does that sound now? Those guys look like our 7th and 8th CBs for a group that is not good to say the least.

I still dont get how he went from trying to sign Kyle Fuller to settling for Amerson.

Really, if he doesn't make a trade for a CB, I will really question him.

I feel good about the front seven even though I thought Ragland and Hitchens were not that good today, probably rusty.

But I think we know one bad starting CB can practically ruin an entire defense, right?

CupidStunt · 08-26-2018, 06:18 AM

The front 7 is a far bigger issue than CB, as pathetic as they are. There is not one single redeeming quality about the front 7. They are absolute dogshit vs the run and do not even get within 5 yards of the QB ... EVER. The Jags corners would look average in our defense.

It's time to scrap the 3-4 joke, take a 4-3 RE with the top 10 pick next year, hope Jones works out as 3T, and it's easier to hide our pathetic LB in a 43.

08-26-2018, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Not with this OL it isn't.

But KK says O lines don't matter.

GayFrogs · 08-26-2018, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt

The front 7 is a far bigger issue than CB, as pathetic as they are. There is not one single redeeming quality about the front 7. They are absolute dogshit vs the run and do not even get within 5 yards of the QB ... EVER. The Jags corners would look average in our defense.

It's time to scrap the 3-4 joke, take a 4-3 RE with the top 10 pick next year, hope Jones works out as 3T, and it's easier to hide our pathetic LB in a 43.

Did you watch the game yesterday? We were able to contain the run game pretty well. They converted a bunch of 3rd downs through the air with ease.

ChiefRocka · 08-26-2018, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The Chiefs are going for a 99 Rams type of offense.

They weren't getting that with Conley at #2.

If the Watkins signing pans out you're looking at one of the greatest offenses in NFL history.

I have a bet going with a coworker that when it's all said and done Watkins is in the top 10 at the end of the season. We'll see.

**notorious** · 08-26-2018, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If Sammy Watkins plays well as a top flight #2 it's worth it. Unlike the Alex Era, we don't have to play with as much balance anymore. Surround mahomes with as many players who can make his growth easier. Have a feeling you'll see veach use the draft much more than free agency to build our D, and that type of build won't happen overnight. I'm playing the long game on this one. My bigger concern is a lot more about whether we're building personnel for the wrong DC at this point.

You don’t spend a huge amount of budget on a Ferrari when your house foundation needs vital work.

I agree with the last part, It’s really stupid to keep your best buddy hired as the contractor to work on the foundation even though he’s a baffoon.

FAX · 08-26-2018, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If Sammy Watkins plays well as a top flight #2 it's worth it. Unlike the Alex Era, we don't have to play with as much balance anymore. Surround mahomes with as many players who can make his growth easier. Have a feeling you'll see veach use the draft much more than free agency to build our D, and that type of build won't happen overnight. I'm playing the long game on this one. My bigger concern is a lot more about whether we're building personnel for the wrong DC at this point.

In my humble opinion (and in the opinion of many members of the lost Amazon tribes whose survival is directly linked to their ability to withstand extreme humidity and who can and do consume large insects completely raw), this is a darn good take.

This could well be the case. The alternative is troublesome, indeed.

FAX THE CIVILIZED

pugsnotdrugs19 · 08-26-2018, 08:01 AM

If you want to question the Watkins deal based on what you’ve seen from him so far, fine, but I can’t argue with Veach’s vision on the deal.

If he plays up to his true potential and ability, they can easily have the most explosive and dangerous offense in the NFL. The kind of offense that carries a team deep into the playoffs, much like great defenses sometimes do and some offenses previously have.

The Steelers spent the better part of the past 5 years making the playoffs with a shitty defense because of how great their offense was. I think that could be the Chiefs this year, but we won’t advance in the playoffs with said shitty defense...

I’m personally trying to stay patient and see what they show week one. There are roster cuts and trades coming and moves to be explored. We’ll see what everything looks like with actual game planning in place.

TEX · 08-26-2018, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

If you want to question the Watkins deal based on what you’ve seen from him so far, fine, but I can’t argue with Veach’s vision on the deal.

If he plays up to his true potential and ability, they can easily have the most explosive and dangerous offense in the NFL. The kind of offense that carries a team deep into the playoffs, much like great defenses sometimes do and some offenses previously have.

The Steelers spent the better part of the past 5 years making the playoffs with a shitty defense because of how great their offense was. I think that could be the Chiefs this year, but we won’t advance in the playoffs with said shitty defense...

I’m personally trying to stay patient and see what they show week one. There are roster cuts and trades coming and moves to be explored. We’ll see what everything looks like with actual game planning in place.

Not with our OL we cant. The whole left side can not be counted on. Also pretty weak at Center. But I get your point.

TEX · 08-26-2018, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If Sammy Watkins plays well as a top flight #2 it's worth it. Unlike the Alex Era, we don't have to play with as much balance anymore. Surround mahomes with as many players who can make his growth easier. Have a feeling you'll see veach use the draft much more than free agency to build our D, and that type of build won't happen overnight. I'm playing the long game on this one. My bigger concern is a lot more about whether we're building personnel for the wrong DC at this point.

Nailed it!
And there is no doubt we have the wrong DC.

KChiefs1 · 08-26-2018, 08:08 AM

I expect a trade this week.

Red Dawg · 08-26-2018, 08:11 AM

This season is all about Mahomes getting one under his belt. 19 and 20 we should going for it all. Sell out and stack the defense.

KChiefs1 · 08-26-2018, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Best22

Yeah, the way he was talking I thought Redmond and Reaser may actually be worth a damn

If I was giving them all a rating (not that madden inflated bs) I'd say

Fuller: 86
Nelson: 72
Scandrick: 63
Amerson: 58
Smith: 59
Everyone else: 55 and below

For reference:
Prime Deion Sanders: 98
Marcus Peters: 90
Chris Harris: 92
Phil Gaines: 61
Terrance Mitchell: 70

Looking at this chart, we shouldn't have signed Amerson or Scandrick, and instead saved that money for Mitchell (assuming Peters remains traded, a decision which I find harder to justify everyday. I console myself with the "nobody else wanted him" narrative)

I just keep thinking we could have Fuller & Peters at CB.

Red Dawg · 08-26-2018, 08:46 AM

If Veach plays long ball on building this defense then he's a damn dufuss. We are paying a QB nothing and that's the window. 19 and 20 he should be going for it.

Best22 · 08-26-2018, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I just keep thinking we could have Fuller & Peters at CB.

Well, the "assumption" here is that he needed to go...

RunKC · 08-26-2018, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

If Veach plays long ball on building this defense then he's a damn dufuss. We are paying a QB nothing and that's the window. 19 and 20 he should be going for it.

Justin Houston and Eric Berry alone won’t be here when Mahomes gets his payday. That’s like $35 million opened up right there.

It has and will always come down to how well we can draft and develop

08-25-2018, 10:11 PM
Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	Veach and the CBs, is he clueless? He traded Peters, an All-pro cornerback, during the offseason, granted Hunt may have been behind that decision. He signed Amerson who has looked absolutely dreadful so far. Dreadful even against backups. And then anyone remember how he was saying that he felt good about stacking Will Redmond and Keith Reaser in regards to what was out there in the draft class. How does that sound now? Those guys look like our 7th and 8th CBs for a group that is not good to say the least. I still dont get how he went from trying to sign Kyle Fuller to settling for Amerson. Really, if he doesn't make a trade for a CB, I will really question him. I feel good about the front seven even though I thought Ragland and Hitchens were not that good today, probably rusty. But I think we know one bad starting CB can practically ruin an entire defense, right?
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08-26-2018, 06:18 AM	#16
CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $2253332	The front 7 is a far bigger issue than CB, as pathetic as they are. There is not one single redeeming quality about the front 7. They are absolute dogshit vs the run and do not even get within 5 yards of the QB ... EVER. The Jags corners would look average in our defense. It's time to scrap the 3-4 joke, take a 4-3 RE with the top 10 pick next year, hope Jones works out as 3T, and it's easier to hide our pathetic LB in a 43.
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08-26-2018, 08:01 AM	#22
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $9119447	If you want to question the Watkins deal based on what you’ve seen from him so far, fine, but I can’t argue with Veach’s vision on the deal. If he plays up to his true potential and ability, they can easily have the most explosive and dangerous offense in the NFL. The kind of offense that carries a team deep into the playoffs, much like great defenses sometimes do and some offenses previously have. The Steelers spent the better part of the past 5 years making the playoffs with a shitty defense because of how great their offense was. I think that could be the Chiefs this year, but we won’t advance in the playoffs with said shitty defense... I’m personally trying to stay patient and see what they show week one. There are roster cuts and trades coming and moves to be explored. We’ll see what everything looks like with actual game planning in place.
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08-26-2018, 08:08 AM	#25
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08-26-2018, 08:11 AM	#26
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4562858	This season is all about Mahomes getting one under his belt. 19 and 20 we should going for it all. Sell out and stack the defense. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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08-26-2018, 08:46 AM	#28
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $4562858	If Veach plays long ball on building this defense then he's a damn dufuss. We are paying a QB nothing and that's the window. 19 and 20 he should be going for it. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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