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excessive · 02-02-2018, 05:04 PM

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‘A fight is brewing:’ Spring training boycott hinted at by one prominent MLB agent

BY RUSTIN DODD

rdodd@kcstar.com

February 02, 2018 01:08 PM

Updated 1 hour 17 minutes ago

One of baseball’s most prominent agents has suggested a possible spring training boycott in response to an offseason free-agent market beset by gridlock and depressed wages.

Brodie Van Wagenen, co-head of the baseball division at CAA Sports, released a lengthy and pointed statement on Friday morning, stating that “there is a rising tide among players for radical change. A fight is brewing.”

The statement, perhaps the most highly charged to date in an environment of growing player discontent, comes as dozens of top free agents remain unsigned just weeks before the start of spring training. The list of available free agents includes Royals stars Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas, in addition to slugger J.D. Martinez, starting pitchers Yu Darvish and Jake Arrieta and closer Greg Holland.

Van Wagenen offered a harsh critique of Major League Baseball owners and warned of a potential backlash among players. He hinted at potential labor unrest not seen in the decades since the sport’s last work stoppage, a players’ strike that canceled the World Series in 1994.

“Bottom line, the players are upset,” said Van Wagenen, whose agency represents such stars as Robinson Cano, Yoenis Cespedes and Buster Posey. “No, they are outraged. Players in the midst of long-term contracts are as frustrated as those still seeking employment. Their voices are getting louder and they are uniting in a way not seen since 1994.”

Later Friday, MLB Players Association executive director Tony Clark weighed in with his own statement.

“For decades free agency has been the cornerstone of baseball’s economic system and has benefited Players and the game alike,” Clark said. “Each time it has been attacked, Players, their representatives and the Association have united to defend it. That will never change.”

Players across baseball have become increasingly frustrated in recent weeks as the market has remained sluggish. Former Royals outfielder Lorenzo Cain signed a five-year, $80 million contract with the Milwaukee Brewers in late January, representing the largest expenditure of the offseason. First baseman Carlos Santana signed a three-year, $60 million contract with the Philadelphia Phillies in December. Those deals have proven to be the exception.

“A boycott of Spring Training may be a starting point, if behavior doesn’t change,” Van Wagenen continued. “Players don’t receive their paychecks until the second week of April. Fine them? OK, for how much? Sue them? OK, they’ll see you in court two years from now. At what expense?”

The statement comes just a week after Dodgers closer Kenley Jansen told reporters in Los Angeles that “maybe we have to go on strike, to be honest with you.”

“That’s how I feel about it,” Jansen said, according to The Los Angeles Times.

Earlier this week, former Royal Brandon Moss appeared on MLB Network and said that players “have to be willing to dig your heels in a little bit, fight for the things that the guys in the past have fought for.”

For now, the voices of angered players have been simmering mostly below the surface, out of public view. Yet the debates over what has caused this winter’s slow market have continued. Some have pointed to baseball’s front offices, which are now largely run by data-driven executives who see the game through a cold, calculated lens. Others have pointed out that many of baseball’s largest spenders, such as the Dodgers, Yankees and Red Sox, have mostly sat out this offseason; the Dodgers and Yankees have stated their desire stay under a luxury tax kept in place in the latest collective-bargaining agreement.

In the process, the collective-bargaining agreement, negotiated last offseason, has become a lightning rod. In negotiations, players lobbied for such luxuries as extra meals and chefs in the clubhouse and additional days off. But caps on amateur spending, both in the draft and international, remained in place, as did the luxury tax system.

“We have incentivized owners and we have incentivized teams to say: ‘We don’t want to meet that price, it costs us too much,’” Moss said. “‘It costs us draft picks. It costs us international signing money. It costs us, all these different things. We’re going to have to pay a tax if we go over a certain threshold that (players) have set ourselves.’”

The market has also been affected by a league structure that has increasingly incentivized losing. The last three World Series champions — the Royals, Cubs and Astros — were built on the backs of losing seasons, high draft picks and systematic rebuilding plans. As the 2018 season approaches, nearly a third of the teams in baseball are emulating that approach and rebuilding, a process that generally includes shedding salary and selling off assets.

“I have six free agents with MLB service time whom are seeking (minor-league) deals,” agent Joshua Kusnick said Friday in a statement also released on Twitter. “These guys are not getting calls at all because everything at the top of the market is frozen. It really does trickle down to A-ball, and I have never dealt with anything like this in 15 years.”

For now, the gridlock continues, the staredown between labor and management threatening spring training and perhaps eventually the sport’s labor peace. Hosmer, a 28-year-old first baseman, is believed to have multiple offers worth more than $100 million, including one from the Royals, while Martinez, the consensus best hitter on the market, reportedly had a five-year, $100 million offer from the Boston Red Sox. In addition, Darvish has reportedly had heavy interest from multiple suitors. Yet all three have declined to accept those offers to this point.

In recent weeks, the evidence of discontent from players has continued to mount. The questions is whether a unified front can make a difference.

“I would suggest that testing the will of 1,200 alpha males at the pinnacle of their profession is not a good strategy for 30 men who are bound by a much smaller fraternity,” Van Wagenen wrote. “These 1,200 players have learned first-hand that battles are won through teamwork, and they understand that championships can’t be achieved by individuals. They are won by a group united by a singular focus. Victory at all costs. They are willing to sweat for it; they are willing to sacrifice for it; they are willing to cry for it; and most importantly, they are willing to bleed for it.”

Rustin Dodd: 816-234-4937, @rustindodd. Download True Blue, The Star’s free Royals app.

cooper barrett · 02-02-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Is 100M not enough? Hard to say. Glass' franchise increased in value 800M in 15 years. Is 800M not enough?

And the Hunts/ Chiefs did that in what? 3 ?

Days in baseball that are important to me. Opening day, Start of playoffs. If MLB only played 30 regular season games, I wouldn't care.

Mecca · 02-02-2018, 09:02 PM

I'm beginning to think being part of baseball ownership is an awful idea. Sure there is a ton of money there but if you try to make any type of smart business decisions and the rest of the league follows this is what you get.

"Collusion" "We'll strike" It's literally like showing up to work and demanding your boss pay you something over the top and if they refuse you saying "fine I'll get it either way" the baseball players have been running the asylum forever and it really needs to change.

I said it a long time ago and I'll say it again, baseball needs a hard salary cap even if that means telling players to **** themselves for a long time ala the NHL.

Miles · 02-02-2018, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Baseball is rolling in the dough. Every team just got an extra $50 million this year.

But, most of these FA’s are older and wanting to get paid like they are in their prime when they are 34-35. Teams are figuring out, that those deals never works out for the team, only the player.

My suspicion is this could be the main driver and luxury tax also being used as an excuse to not blow large amounts of money on guaranteed contracts for a players decline.

Mosbonian · 02-02-2018, 09:46 PM

From my perspective....them going on strike wouldn't ruin anything, as I don't seem to have the love for MLB I used to have.

I enjoyed the run the Royals had...but until MLB brings about something akin to the parity the NFL created my interest will continue to wane.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-02-2018, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm beginning to think being part of baseball ownership is an awful idea. Sure there is a ton of money there but if you try to make any type of smart business decisions and the rest of the league follows this is what you get.

"Collusion" "We'll strike" It's literally like showing up to work and demanding your boss pay you something over the top and if they refuse you saying "fine I'll get it either way" the baseball players have been running the asylum forever and it really needs to change.

I said it a long time ago and I'll say it again, baseball needs a hard salary cap even if that means telling players to **** themselves for a long time ala the NHL.

The irony is, the nba and nfl have salary caps and they have major parity issues. Baseball doesn't and their parity has been incredible. I know there's a lot more to that. But the salary cap is fine. I believe now and always will believe that the problem isn't money, it's the cheapskate owners who refuse to spend on their team

chiefzilla1501 · 02-02-2018, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

From my perspective....them going on strike wouldn't ruin anything, as I don't seem to have the love for MLB I used to have.

I enjoyed the run the Royals had...but until MLB brings about something akin to the parity the NFL created my interest will continue to wane.

The nfl has parity? That's news to me.

ChiefsCountry · 02-02-2018, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

From my perspective....them going on strike wouldn't ruin anything, as I don't seem to have the love for MLB I used to have.

I enjoyed the run the Royals had...but until MLB brings about something akin to the parity the NFL created my interest will continue to wane.

MLB has way more parity if you actually pay attention.

dlphg9 · 02-02-2018, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

From my perspective....them going on strike wouldn't ruin anything, as I don't seem to have the love for MLB I used to have.

I enjoyed the run the Royals had...but until MLB brings about something akin to the parity the NFL created my interest will continue to wane.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

JakeF · 02-02-2018, 10:11 PM

Everyone is the world wants to get paid more.

Spare me your millionaire tears.

**BigRedChief** · 02-02-2018, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm beginning to think being part of baseball ownership is an awful idea. Sure there is a ton of money there but if you try to make any type of smart business decisions and the rest of the league follows this is what you get.

"Collusion" "We'll strike" It's literally like showing up to work and demanding your boss pay you something over the top and if they refuse you saying "fine I'll get it either way" the baseball players have been running the asylum forever and it really needs to change.

I said it a long time ago and I'll say it again, baseball needs a hard salary cap even if that means telling players to **** themselves for a long time ala the NHL.

Royals bought for $95 million. Current value is $351 million

Cardinals bought for $144 million. Current value is $1.8 billion.

Maybe worth it?

ChiefsCountry · 02-02-2018, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Royals bought for $95 million. Current value is $351 million

Cardinals bought for $144 million. Current value is $1.8 billion.

Maybe worth it?

Royals are worth 950 million.

**BigRedChief** · 02-02-2018, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Royals are worth 950 million.

forbes 2017 team values

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...m-values-2017/

Frazod · 02-02-2018, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

They're not getting the deals they want anymore because time and time again they end up biting the team in the ass.

Yeah, no shit.

I'm thinking if these greedy pricks don't like it, they can all go do something else.

ChiefsCountry · 02-02-2018, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

forbes 2017 team values

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...m-values-2017/

Yes exactly what I said 950 million.

**SAUTO** · 02-02-2018, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

forbes 2017 team values

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...m-values-2017/

950 million

02-02-2018, 05:04 PM
excessive Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $9756885	$100 million not enough? http://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb...198080479.html ‘A fight is brewing:’ Spring training boycott hinted at by one prominent MLB agent BY RUSTIN DODD rdodd@kcstar.com February 02, 2018 01:08 PM Updated 1 hour 17 minutes ago One of baseball’s most prominent agents has suggested a possible spring training boycott in response to an offseason free-agent market beset by gridlock and depressed wages. Brodie Van Wagenen, co-head of the baseball division at CAA Sports, released a lengthy and pointed statement on Friday morning, stating that “there is a rising tide among players for radical change. A fight is brewing.” The statement, perhaps the most highly charged to date in an environment of growing player discontent, comes as dozens of top free agents remain unsigned just weeks before the start of spring training. The list of available free agents includes Royals stars Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas, in addition to slugger J.D. Martinez, starting pitchers Yu Darvish and Jake Arrieta and closer Greg Holland. Van Wagenen offered a harsh critique of Major League Baseball owners and warned of a potential backlash among players. He hinted at potential labor unrest not seen in the decades since the sport’s last work stoppage, a players’ strike that canceled the World Series in 1994. “Bottom line, the players are upset,” said Van Wagenen, whose agency represents such stars as Robinson Cano, Yoenis Cespedes and Buster Posey. “No, they are outraged. Players in the midst of long-term contracts are as frustrated as those still seeking employment. Their voices are getting louder and they are uniting in a way not seen since 1994.” Later Friday, MLB Players Association executive director Tony Clark weighed in with his own statement. “For decades free agency has been the cornerstone of baseball’s economic system and has benefited Players and the game alike,” Clark said. “Each time it has been attacked, Players, their representatives and the Association have united to defend it. That will never change.” Players across baseball have become increasingly frustrated in recent weeks as the market has remained sluggish. Former Royals outfielder Lorenzo Cain signed a five-year, $80 million contract with the Milwaukee Brewers in late January, representing the largest expenditure of the offseason. First baseman Carlos Santana signed a three-year, $60 million contract with the Philadelphia Phillies in December. Those deals have proven to be the exception. “A boycott of Spring Training may be a starting point, if behavior doesn’t change,” Van Wagenen continued. “Players don’t receive their paychecks until the second week of April. Fine them? OK, for how much? Sue them? OK, they’ll see you in court two years from now. At what expense?” The statement comes just a week after Dodgers closer Kenley Jansen told reporters in Los Angeles that “maybe we have to go on strike, to be honest with you.” “That’s how I feel about it,” Jansen said, according to The Los Angeles Times. Earlier this week, former Royal Brandon Moss appeared on MLB Network and said that players “have to be willing to dig your heels in a little bit, fight for the things that the guys in the past have fought for.” For now, the voices of angered players have been simmering mostly below the surface, out of public view. Yet the debates over what has caused this winter’s slow market have continued. Some have pointed to baseball’s front offices, which are now largely run by data-driven executives who see the game through a cold, calculated lens. Others have pointed out that many of baseball’s largest spenders, such as the Dodgers, Yankees and Red Sox, have mostly sat out this offseason; the Dodgers and Yankees have stated their desire stay under a luxury tax kept in place in the latest collective-bargaining agreement. In the process, the collective-bargaining agreement, negotiated last offseason, has become a lightning rod. In negotiations, players lobbied for such luxuries as extra meals and chefs in the clubhouse and additional days off. But caps on amateur spending, both in the draft and international, remained in place, as did the luxury tax system. “We have incentivized owners and we have incentivized teams to say: ‘We don’t want to meet that price, it costs us too much,’” Moss said. “‘It costs us draft picks. It costs us international signing money. It costs us, all these different things. We’re going to have to pay a tax if we go over a certain threshold that (players) have set ourselves.’” The market has also been affected by a league structure that has increasingly incentivized losing. The last three World Series champions — the Royals, Cubs and Astros — were built on the backs of losing seasons, high draft picks and systematic rebuilding plans. As the 2018 season approaches, nearly a third of the teams in baseball are emulating that approach and rebuilding, a process that generally includes shedding salary and selling off assets. “I have six free agents with MLB service time whom are seeking (minor-league) deals,” agent Joshua Kusnick said Friday in a statement also released on Twitter. “These guys are not getting calls at all because everything at the top of the market is frozen. It really does trickle down to A-ball, and I have never dealt with anything like this in 15 years.” For now, the gridlock continues, the staredown between labor and management threatening spring training and perhaps eventually the sport’s labor peace. Hosmer, a 28-year-old first baseman, is believed to have multiple offers worth more than $100 million, including one from the Royals, while Martinez, the consensus best hitter on the market, reportedly had a five-year, $100 million offer from the Boston Red Sox. In addition, Darvish has reportedly had heavy interest from multiple suitors. Yet all three have declined to accept those offers to this point. In recent weeks, the evidence of discontent from players has continued to mount. The questions is whether a unified front can make a difference. “I would suggest that testing the will of 1,200 alpha males at the pinnacle of their profession is not a good strategy for 30 men who are bound by a much smaller fraternity,” Van Wagenen wrote. “These 1,200 players have learned first-hand that battles are won through teamwork, and they understand that championships can’t be achieved by individuals. They are won by a group united by a singular focus. Victory at all costs. They are willing to sweat for it; they are willing to sacrifice for it; they are willing to cry for it; and most importantly, they are willing to bleed for it.” Rustin Dodd: 816-234-4937, @rustindodd. Download True Blue, The Star’s free Royals app.
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