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Old 07-24-2017, 02:52 PM  
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Old 07-24-2017, 03:36 PM   #16
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Those last four years were less impressive, but the Broncos 2011 and '12 drafts powered their SB runs, and Elway would seem to get some credit for those having been hired in January of '11.
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Old 07-24-2017, 03:36 PM   #17
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That somehow counts against him?!? That doesn't make any sense at all.
Of course it does. Have you noticed the name of this website?
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Old 07-24-2017, 03:36 PM   #18
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That somehow counts against him?!? That doesn't make any sense at all.
No, it doesn't count against him.

But the only reason he is considered one of the best is because of that and the things that followed. Any GM in the league would look great if they got a HOF QB in free agency.

It's not a knock, but he gets more credit than he deserves for what followed. Truth is he's probably be considered average at best if it didn't. Just look at his drafts.
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Old 07-24-2017, 03:48 PM   #20
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No, it doesn't count against him.

But the only reason he is considered one of the best is because of that and the things that followed. Any GM in the league would look great if they got a HOF QB in free agency.

It's not a knock, but he gets more credit than he deserves for what followed. Truth is he's probably be considered average at best if it didn't. Just look at his drafts.

Do drafts somehow count more than Wins and Losses? Maybe I'm out of my mind, but I think Wins count more.

2006: 9-7
2007: 7-9
2008 - 8-8
2009: 8-8
2010: 4-12
2011 (Elway's first year): 8-8
2012: (Manning's first year): 13-3
2012: 13-3, Lose SB
2013: 12-4
2014: 12-4, win SB
2015: 12-4
2016: 9-7


And let's face it, they won that SB MOSTLY on the awesomeness of their defense, not Manning's arm. A defense that Manning largely built.

I hate the ****ing Broncos too, but Ugly-ass Horseface is proving to be a pretty good GM, even if his drafts have been pretty weak the last four years. Let's hope that those sucky drafts catch up with them as their team ages.
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Old 07-24-2017, 03:52 PM   #21
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Considering that the Chiefs traded two second round picks and will pay Alex Smith somewhere around $75 million for play that Trevor Siemian approached last year as a second year player on a 7th round contract, I wouldn't throw too many stones at Elway as a GM.

Weren't people just castigating our departed GM for the contracts of Maclin, Bowe, Hali, et. al despite two months ago thinking he was a top tier GM?
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Considering that the Chiefs traded two second round picks and will pay Alex Smith somewhere around $75 million for play that Trevor Siemian approached last year as a second year player on a 7th round contract, I wouldn't throw too many stones at Elway as a GM.

Weren't people just castigating our departed GM for the contracts of Maclin, Bowe, Hali, et. al despite two months ago thinking he was a top tier GM?
Elway is about to miss on his second early QB selection. Semen will never be an above average starter.

I love how people act like one below average year makes Semen as good or better than Alex. I'm not an Alex supporter/defender but that's just ridiculous. He's won may too many games for that kind of disrespect.
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Elway is about to miss on his second early QB selection. Semen will never be an above average starter.

I love how people act like one below average year makes Semen as good or better than Alex. I'm not an Alex supporter/defender but that's just ridiculous. He's won may too many games for that kind of disrespect.
If you can pay Trevor Siemian 600 grand to give you 90% of what Alex Smith gives you for $18 million you've added a shit ton of surplus value that you can use on improving other areas of the team.

Who would fetch more in a trade:

Team 1 offers Alex Smith
Team 2 offers Trevor Siemian+Von Miller.
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Me neither..he's been married to that city for decades.
Lots of greatness in there... 7 SB appearances and 3 wins. Lots of fun memories and great tales of cheating.
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You guys think he sucks? He became GM in 2011. They missed the playoffs for the five years before that, and since then they have made the playoffs 5 out of 6 years, won the division all five of those years, went to the SB twice, and won it once, while building perhaps the best defense in the NFL.


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If you can pay Trevor Siemian 600 grand to give you 90% of what Alex Smith gives you for $18 million you've added a shit ton of surplus value that you can use on improving other areas of the team.

Who would fetch more in a trade:

Team 1 offers Alex Smith
Team 2 offers Trevor Siemian+Von Miller.
That's cool, but you aren't winning a SB with Semen as your QB, just like Alex. He also won't be that cheap after his rookie contract is up.

If Elways misses on Lynch like I think he will, time will show he's being overrated.
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