Chiefs Your Grade on the CHIEFS 2017 Draft - Page 8

**Trivers** · 04-29-2017, 04:00 PM

After 3 days, the 2017 NFL Draft is history.

What is your grade and opinion of how the Chiefs did?

Predictions?

O.city · 04-29-2017, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I gave it a B.

No major reaches, but they didn't really land tremendous value either. Love the Mahomes and Hunt picks, but not so much the receiver. Kudos for making Holthus probably want to cry about pronouncing names, but I think six picks overall was a little light.

The talent is good, but I think they could of used another pick or so to churn the bottom of that roster (looking at you, Jah Reid). Strong draft overall.

That's true, but they've been pretty successful with UDFA, practice squad guys and you know they'll bring in a guy or two that gets cut elsewhere.

Dorsey is a grinder. They'll churn the bottom of the roster. They always do.

KChiefs1 · 04-29-2017, 09:54 PM

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CasselGotPeedOn · 04-29-2017, 09:54 PM

cmh6476 · 04-29-2017, 10:07 PM

It seems we have a ton fewer picks than we've had in years past. Does this mean the undrained rookies become more important, and some might choose us knowing there might be better chances of making the team?

jdubya · 04-29-2017, 10:14 PM

Have to revisit this in 3 years but giving up future picks for a QB that compares at his highest to Jay Cutler is ...... well..........underwhelming. He is certainly no sure thing like a Manning or Elway so chances are most likely less than 50-50 he will come close to being a serviceable franchise QB. But the good news is we have 3 years to decide if I am correct or wrong.

**mdchiefsfan** · 04-29-2017, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's the same thing every year on CP: "I HATE that pick!".

Then, it's "Mitch Morse is AWESOME! Chris Jones is AWESOME! Marcus Peters is AWESOME!" "Dee Ford is kicking ass!" and on and on and on and on.

Pretty much. Year after year, the Chiefs draft some unknown, "could've been available later" pick. Year after year we are surprised by the drafts Dorsey churns out. When do we concede that Dorsey may know more than us?

Something has to give at some point, right?

oldman · 04-29-2017, 10:45 PM

I'm going to give it a B at this point. I'm pretty OK with the first 3, but I'm not sure we should have spent the remaining choices on guys we'll probably put on the PS or flat out cut. But then again, Dorsey DOES know more than us.

thabear04 · 04-30-2017, 12:03 AM

TLO · 04-30-2017, 12:32 AM

I gave it an E for "Extremely Excellent"

**ChiefGator** · 04-30-2017, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdubya

... QB that compares at his highest to Jay Cutler is ......

I should just leave this alone, but I can't...

I have not heard that comparison. A more accurate description would be a ceiling somewhere between Matthew Stafford and Brett Favre. Quite a floor also, but that is closer to his ceiling.

Mosbonian · 04-30-2017, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's the same thing every year on CP: "I HATE that pick!".

Then, it's "Mitch Morse is AWESOME! Chris Jones is AWESOME! Marcus Peters is AWESOME!" "Dee Ford is kicking ass!" and on and on and on and on.

This.....I admit it's nice to see that those who have been screaming for a QBOTF finally get what they have been asking for.

I gave this an A based solely on the fact that we finally pulled the trigger on trading up and taking the chance. And to me Kareem Hunt was a great pick....not sure who his running style reminds me of most but having a decent 2nd back besides Ware is going to be great. I am tired of seeing West lose 3 yards after Ware has gained 7 yards.

We do need an ILB....I just don't see DJ returning and being what he was at one point.

Black Bob · 04-30-2017, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

I should just leave this alone, but I can't...

I have not heard that comparison. A more accurate description would be a ceiling somewhere between Matthew Stafford and Brett Favre. Quite a floor also, but that is closer to his ceiling.

I don't like the Stanford comparison. I say somewhere between Locker and Favre. He is the epitome of boom or bust IMO.

I give it a solid B. Time will tell.

Mosbonian · 04-30-2017, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

I should just leave this alone, but I can't...

I have not heard that comparison. A more accurate description would be a ceiling somewhere between Matthew Stafford and Brett Favre. Quite a floor also, but that is closer to his ceiling.

I am with you....not sure where he got that comparison because I haven't seen it anywhere. Most of the time they do compare him to Favre more than anyone else. If he is half the QB Favre was it was worth the risk.

And anyone who thought we should have gotten Watson or waited for Kiser/Webb is crazy. I think Watson is not going to be as good in the pros as he was in college and I think Kiser is higher on himself than most of the pros are.

I think Webb could have some potential but not to the point that I think Mahomes will.

O.city · 04-30-2017, 09:43 AM

They did their work on Mahomes, with all we know about how Dorsey works, you know they did.

They liked the kid and went and got him. It's ballsy and if it fails, it will suck. It won't torpedo them because they're pretty smart and they'll get by, but they took their shot. Mahomes couldn't be in a better situation, learning from Reid and grtting to watch smith and learn to be a pro. Some may not like that, but there's alot of value in seeing how to prepare and act in and around the team.

Excited to see how it works out

scho63 · 04-30-2017, 09:46 AM

"I" for Incomplete. It's all a fool's game to grade a draft 2 minutes after Mr Irrelevant is picked.

Let's go back for all Dorsey's prior drafts to see if he is getting better, worse, or staying the same year over year.

That's how I would grade a GM

Drafting a QB in RD 1 is a great sign for sure so that is an "A+" for effort.

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In their first draft of the Andy Reid/John Dorsey era, the Chiefs didn’t get much production after their first two picks, tackle Eric Fisher and tight end Travis Kelce. The drafts got progressively better after that.

There is this distinction: When this year’s Pro Bowl team and alternates were announced, at least one player from each of the four classes was represented, including Fisher and Kelce. In all, Reid and Dorsey have drafted 32 players in Kansas City: 21 are on the 53-man roster heading into the Chiefs’ Jan. 15 AFC Divisional Playoff game, 12 were starters on offense or defense during 2016 and five were selected to the Pro Bowl or as alternates.

Here are the Chiefs’ drafts for the previous four seasons, which feature more hits than misses, especially in the later years:

2013

Eric Fisher, T, Central Michigan (1st round): Beginning to live up to expectations of top pick. Pro Bowl alternate in 2016.**

Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati (3rd): One of the best tight ends in the game. Pro Bowler in 2016.**

Knile Davis, RB, Arkansas (3rd): Still churning as a reserve.*

Nico Johnson, LB, Alabama (4th): Never played for Chiefs.

Sanders Commings, DB, Georgia (5th): Appeared in two games as a rookie.

Eric Kush, C, California (Pa.) (6th): Appeared in three games for Chiefs.

Braden Wilson, FB, Kansas State (6th): Cut during training camp.

Mike Catapano, LB, Princeton (7th): Fan favorite played one season with Chiefs.

2014

Dee Ford, LB, Auburn (1st): Came into his own this season with 10 sacks. Pro Bowl alternate in 2016.**

Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice (3rd): Battled injuries throughout career.*

De’Anthony Thomas, WR, Oregon (4th): Team’s reserve speedster behind Tyreek Hill.*

Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia (5th): Released after two seasons.

Zach Fulton, G, Tennessee (6th): Became a starter this season.**

Laurent Durvernay-Tardif, T, McGill (6th): Two-year starter.**

2015

Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (1st): Two years, two Pro Bowls.**

Mitch Morse, C, Missouri (2nd): Two-year starter.**

Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (3rd): Number of receptions jumped from 17 as rookie to 44 this season.**

Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State (3rd): Worked way into starter in base defense.**

Ramik Wilson, LB, Georgia (4th): Importance increased with every game.**

D.J. Alexander, LB, Oregon State (5th): Special-teams coverage specialist.*

James O’Shaughnessy, TE, Illinois State (5th): Third tight end for offense that loves tight ends.*

Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DL, Southern Mississippi (6th): Terrific progress from first to second year.*

Da’Ron Brown, WR, Northern Illinois (7th): On practice squad last year

2016

Chris Jones, DL, Mississippi State (2nd): Impact performer on defensive line.**

KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame (3rd): Cut before season started. Stunning misfire for Chiefs.

Parker Ehinger, OL, Cincinnati (4th): Left guard was off to solid start before season-ending injury vs. Colts.**

Eric Murray, CB, Minnesota (4th): Safety got season high 20 snaps against Chargers last weekend.*

Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (4th): Embraced role as special-teams gunner.*

Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford (5th): Lost competition for third quarterback spot and was waived.

Tyreek Hill, RB/WR, West Alabama (5th): With 12 touchdowns, steal of the NFL Draft. Pro Bowler in 2016.*

D.J. White, CB, Georgia Tech (6th): Got many snaps early when secondary dealt with injuries.*

Dadi Nicolas, LB, Virginia Tech (6th): Solid special-teams performer who sustained season-ending injury vs. Chargers.

*on 53-man roster heading into playoff game; **offensive or defensive starter during 2016 (Ehinger is on injured reserve)

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy

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B	57	28.79%
C	20	10.10%
D	3	1.52%
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jdubya MVP Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $4505025	Have to revisit this in 3 years but giving up future picks for a QB that compares at his highest to Jay Cutler is ...... well..........underwhelming. He is certainly no sure thing like a Manning or Elway so chances are most likely less than 50-50 he will come close to being a serviceable franchise QB. But the good news is we have 3 years to decide if I am correct or wrong.
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oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	I'm going to give it a B at this point. I'm pretty OK with the first 3, but I'm not sure we should have spent the remaining choices on guys we'll probably put on the PS or flat out cut. But then again, Dorsey DOES know more than us.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2414064	They did their work on Mahomes, with all we know about how Dorsey works, you know they did. They liked the kid and went and got him. It's ballsy and if it fails, it will suck. It won't torpedo them because they're pretty smart and they'll get by, but they took their shot. Mahomes couldn't be in a better situation, learning from Reid and grtting to watch smith and learn to be a pro. Some may not like that, but there's alot of value in seeing how to prepare and act in and around the team. Excited to see how it works out
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04-30-2017, 09:46 AM	#120
scho63 Politically Incorrect Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Casino cash: $2381110	"I" for Incomplete. It's all a fool's game to grade a draft 2 minutes after Mr Irrelevant is picked. Let's go back for all Dorsey's prior drafts to see if he is getting better, worse, or staying the same year over year. That's how I would grade a GM Drafting a QB in RD 1 is a great sign for sure so that is an "A+" for effort. ========================================================================== In their first draft of the Andy Reid/John Dorsey era, the Chiefs didn’t get much production after their first two picks, tackle Eric Fisher and tight end Travis Kelce. The drafts got progressively better after that. There is this distinction: When this year’s Pro Bowl team and alternates were announced, at least one player from each of the four classes was represented, including Fisher and Kelce. In all, Reid and Dorsey have drafted 32 players in Kansas City: 21 are on the 53-man roster heading into the Chiefs’ Jan. 15 AFC Divisional Playoff game, 12 were starters on offense or defense during 2016 and five were selected to the Pro Bowl or as alternates. Here are the Chiefs’ drafts for the previous four seasons, which feature more hits than misses, especially in the later years: 2013 Eric Fisher, T, Central Michigan (1st round): Beginning to live up to expectations of top pick. Pro Bowl alternate in 2016. Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati (3rd): One of the best tight ends in the game. Pro Bowler in 2016. Knile Davis, RB, Arkansas (3rd): Still churning as a reserve.* Nico Johnson, LB, Alabama (4th): Never played for Chiefs. Sanders Commings, DB, Georgia (5th): Appeared in two games as a rookie. Eric Kush, C, California (Pa.) (6th): Appeared in three games for Chiefs. Braden Wilson, FB, Kansas State (6th): Cut during training camp. Mike Catapano, LB, Princeton (7th): Fan favorite played one season with Chiefs. 2014 Dee Ford, LB, Auburn (1st): Came into his own this season with 10 sacks. Pro Bowl alternate in 2016.** Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice (3rd): Battled injuries throughout career.* De’Anthony Thomas, WR, Oregon (4th): Team’s reserve speedster behind Tyreek Hill.* Aaron Murray, QB, Georgia (5th): Released after two seasons. Zach Fulton, G, Tennessee (6th): Became a starter this season. Laurent Durvernay-Tardif, T, McGill (6th): Two-year starter. 2015 Marcus Peters, CB, Washington (1st): Two years, two Pro Bowls. Mitch Morse, C, Missouri (2nd): Two-year starter. Chris Conley, WR, Georgia (3rd): Number of receptions jumped from 17 as rookie to 44 this season. Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State (3rd): Worked way into starter in base defense. Ramik Wilson, LB, Georgia (4th): Importance increased with every game.** D.J. Alexander, LB, Oregon State (5th): Special-teams coverage specialist.* James O’Shaughnessy, TE, Illinois State (5th): Third tight end for offense that loves tight ends.* Rakeem Nunez-Roches, DL, Southern Mississippi (6th): Terrific progress from first to second year.* Da’Ron Brown, WR, Northern Illinois (7th): On practice squad last year 2016 Chris Jones, DL, Mississippi State (2nd): Impact performer on defensive line. KeiVarae Russell, CB, Notre Dame (3rd): Cut before season started. Stunning misfire for Chiefs. Parker Ehinger, OL, Cincinnati (4th): Left guard was off to solid start before season-ending injury vs. Colts. Eric Murray, CB, Minnesota (4th): Safety got season high 20 snaps against Chargers last weekend.* Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida (4th): Embraced role as special-teams gunner.* Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford (5th): Lost competition for third quarterback spot and was waived. Tyreek Hill, RB/WR, West Alabama (5th): With 12 touchdowns, steal of the NFL Draft. Pro Bowler in 2016.* D.J. White, CB, Georgia Tech (6th): Got many snaps early when secondary dealt with injuries.* Dadi Nicolas, LB, Virginia Tech (6th): Solid special-teams performer who sustained season-ending injury vs. Chargers. on 53-man roster heading into playoff game; offensive or defensive starter during 2016 (Ehinger is on injured reserve) Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...#storylink=cpy __________________ "The only difference between sex for free and sex for money is that sex for free costs you a WHOLE LOT more!"* ~Redd Foxx~ ~~2018 2019 2020 20212022 2023~~ 2024 Adopt a Chief - Clark Hunt and Brett Veach "The men who drafted Patrick Mahomes"
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