Chiefs Alex Smith was not the problem Sunday, sorry haters. - Page 5

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 09:10 PM

Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings:
Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9
Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/

"Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again

This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%).

Against the Bucs...
Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating
Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating
Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating
Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating

Sandy Vagina · 11-21-2016, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

This was a classic game as to where the offense really needed to step up and carry the defense...

We all seen what was happening to defense....

And yes there inst any room for error.... Reid play calling and Smiths horrific QB play make the margin almost non existent... IT has to be perfectly executed. One 3 and out can derail the whole day and game plan.

I agree with your first sentence in particular, but show me this O underwhelm like that with the good version of Maclin on the field, and I'd lose more hope.

Missing the good Mac is indeed a HUGE loss. Having Andy call the plays he does at times... HUGE loss.

rabblerouser · 11-21-2016, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

The defense has been good at 2 things this year - keeping the other team from scoring touchdowns and turning the ball over. The defense is average against the pass and weak against the run. It's not like the defense has been just shutting teams down all year. They are giving up lots of yards, but preventing teams from scoring. Which is all that matters.

What happens when the defense doesn't cause the turnovers it's been getting? You saw it yesterday.

For the record - through 10 games - defensively, KC ranks 16th against the pass, 27th against the run, and 25th overall.....and 5th in points allowed and tied for 1st in turnover differential.

Actually, both teams had one turnover yesterday.

One team actually got points off their turnover, and the other one punted.

The team that did not turn their turnover into points is the team that lost the game.

RunKC · 11-21-2016, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Yet if Alex came out and blamed his defense we would all agree that would be the stupid thing to do as the team leader. To insinuate complete blame on him because he took the high road in his press conference shows your lack of intelligence.

Alex has never blamed receivers, players, or coaches thru his career. It's why Andy picked him. It's why he gets paid 17 mil a year and has the winning record that he does.

Facts, not fiction.

Fact-the Chiefs defense gave up 19 points.
Fact-19 points is below the league average points scored per game (23.5 is the avg)
Fact-19 points allowed a game average is 10th best in the NFL on defense amongst avg points allowed per game.
Fact-the Chiefs scored 17 points
Fact-17 points scored is good for 29th in the NFL amongst the NFL points scored per game average

You. Are. A. Moron.

**The Franchise** · 11-21-2016, 10:10 AM

So let's get this straight.....

Defense does it's job and holds a team to 17 points....AND scores a defensive TD AND causes a turnover that allows the offense to kick a game winning FG.

All Alex does is win.

Defense holds a team to 19 points but doesn't chip in any points and doesn't stop the other team after Alex throws a game losing INT in the redzone.

What the ****, defense!?!?!? Alex can't do everything!

Reerun_KC · 11-21-2016, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

So let's get this straight.....

Defense does it's job and holds a team to 17 points....AND scores a defensive TD AND causes a turnover that allows the offense to kick a game winning FG.

All Alex does is win.

Defense holds a team to 19 points but doesn't chip in any points and doesn't stop the other team after Alex throws a game losing INT in the redzone.

What the ****, defense!?!?!? Alex can't do everything!

Welcome to Post Clayanus CP....

WhiteWhale · 11-21-2016, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Fact-the Chiefs defense gave up 19 points.
Fact-19 points is below the league average points scored per game (23.5 is the avg)
Fact-19 points allowed a game average is 10th best in the NFL on defense amongst avg points allowed per game.
Fact-the Chiefs scored 17 points
Fact-17 points scored is good for 29th in the NFL amongst the NFL points scored per game average

You. Are. A. Moron.

It's like teaching a child to use velcro.

How hard is it to understand that an offense that struggles to score 20 points is a major problem?

rabblerouser · 11-21-2016, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

He doesn't have the intelligence to understand this concept, give him a break.
This is why there are those of us can bring logic and actually donate to this place...and others resort to 5th grade name calling.

Well, he also no longer seems to harbor the intelligence needed to ascertain red jerseys from various other colors...

Maybe he needs to go back to kindergarten art class, relearn the primary colors...then he can learn to throw to his teammates.

Or how about getting a QB that isn't broke, dumb, and colorblind?

**fan4ever** · 11-21-2016, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by smasher

This team's problems:

50% Andy Reid
25% Alex Smith's regression
25% Injuries

I'll agree to that...I don't care if we had Tom Brady in the backfield, Reid's play calling, game/clock management are all guarantees this team will only go so far...and I've had a lifetime of that. Was a Smith backer until the last two games...I now see him for what he is and so do opposing defenses.

Dayze · 11-21-2016, 10:13 AM

If you think your team has a shot at winning a championship (which is the ultimate and only goal) with Alex at the helm, then I don't know what to say to you lol.

If you enjoy watching the season and don't really care if we win a SB, that's fine.
But don't get sideways with people complaining about Alex because they're likely sour on him because they realize there's zero chance of winning a Championship with him.

Mr. Plow · 11-21-2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Defense holds a team to 19 points but doesn't chip in any points and doesn't stop the other team after Alex throws a game losing INT in the redzone.

What the ****, defense!?!?!? Alex can't do everything!

That was literally the difference in the game. The defense didn't have the big turnover to put the offense in a short yardage scoring position. Which, those aren't going to happen every game - so like a lot of us have been saying, the offense is going to have to step up, drive the field, and score. Which is fantasy football which we don't like.

The first offensive possession was very good....at least until we got down in the redzone.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-21-2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Actually, both teams had one turnover yesterday.

One team actually got points off their turnover, and the other one punted.

The team that did not turn their turnover into points is the team that lost the game.

Or how about the defense had 2 chances in the 4th quarter to stop the Bucs but allowed 5 minutes to come off the clock resulting in a touchdown when we were only down a score.

At least Smith and the offense did what was needed after the defense couldn't at least hold TB to a field goal: score a touchdown

Facts. Not fiction.

rabblerouser · 11-21-2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

So let's get this straight.....

Defense does it's job and holds a team to 17 points....AND scores a defensive TD AND causes a turnover that allows the offense to kick a game winning FG.

All Alex does is win.

Defense holds a team to 19 points but doesn't chip in any points and doesn't stop the other team after Alex throws a game losing INT in the redzone.

What the ****, defense!?!?!? Alex can't do everything!

That is the stupid permeating CP on Mon, Nov 19. Or is it the 20th??
Doesn't matter; Tiggie is stupid forever.

jonzie04 · 11-21-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Fact-the Chiefs defense gave up 19 points.
Fact-19 points is below the league average points scored per game (23.5 is the avg)
Fact-19 points allowed a game average is 10th best in the NFL on defense amongst avg points allowed per game.
Fact-the Chiefs scored 17 points
Fact-17 points scored is good for 29th in the NFL amongst the NFL points scored per game average

You. Are. A. Moron.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So let's get this straight.....

Defense does it's job and holds a team to 17 points....AND scores a defensive TD AND causes a turnover that allows the offense to kick a game winning FG.

All Alex does is win.

Defense holds a team to 19 points but doesn't chip in any points and doesn't stop the other team after Alex throws a game losing INT in the redzone.

What the ****, defense!?!?!? Alex can't do everything!

WhiteWhale · 11-21-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by fan4ever

I'll agree to that...I don't care if we had Tom Brady in the backfield, Reid's play calling, game/clock management are all guarantees this team will only go so far...and I've had a lifetime of that. Was a Smith backer until the last two games...I now see him for what he is and so do opposing defenses.

A tight end jet sweep in the red zone is among the worst plays I've ever seen called.

**The Franchise** · 11-21-2016, 10:15 AM

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11-21-2016, 09:33 AM
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	Alex Smith is a solid QB, sorry haters. Bucs win 5th game in a row. Despite the common thought here that Alex Smith held down the team Sunday, Smith's overall production to the team yesterday graded out very positive in 3 rankings: Smith: QBR 94.1, QB rating 99, PFF 71.9 Winston: QBR 83.6, QB rating 97, PFF 50.7 https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...-for-bucs-win/ "Smith gained positive expected points (EPA) on 77 percent of his plays on Sunday, the second-highest rate for a QB in a game this season (Dak Prescott, 83 percent versus Chicago in Week 3). Put simply, more than three-fourths of his plays contributed to the team’s scoring margin, given the context and situation." - http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/p...s-excels-again This is why we should use our brains instead of repeating the garbage fed to us by Mellinger and Teicher. If Smith only had 34 plays yesterday to do something with the ball and earns both a rushing and passing TD, a FG, to 1 INT (first red zone interception since 2013) and completes an outstanding 77% of passes ... we should probably focus on the real problem yesterday: The Defense. Who didn't show up and allowed Winston/Martin to hold the ball for 35 minutes, earn 24 first downs, and convert 68% of 3rd downs (league average is 40%). Against the Bucs... Alex Smith: 1 INT, 99 QB rating Philip Rivers: 2 INTs, 80 QB rating Russell Wilson: 2 INTs, 39 QB rating Drew Brees: 3 INTs, 49 QB rating Last edited by TigeRRUppeRRcut; 12-11-2016 at 09:10 PM..
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