Football Barnwell on Derek Carr - Page 11

**the Talking Can** · 08-18-2016, 07:52 AM

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page...orget-help-nfl

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Carr's offensive line allowed him to do things that were relative luxuries for Bortles and Bridgewater, like breathe in the pocket without fearing for his life. Carr was pressured on only 21.6 percent of his dropbacks, the fifth-lowest rate among starting quarterbacks. A quarterback who gets the ball out quickly can distort that number (see: Tom Brady), but other metrics suggest that wasn't the case with Carr. He took 2.44 seconds before his typical pass, 15th in the league. Carr's average throw traveled 7.67 yards in the air, which was slightly below league average and one full yard deeper than the typical Bridgewater pass (6.66)...

It's another Oakland credo to go after enormous receivers. Carr's average pass went to a receiver who was 74.3 inches tall (a little over 6 feet 2), giving him the fourth-largest receiving corps in football. (Jacksonville's grouping was third.) Sadly, they weren't always his friends. Oakland's pass-catchers, which will return virtually unchanged in 2016, dropped 5.1 percent of Carr's throws last year. That was the fifth-worst rate in the league. It's hard to see these receivers combining to drop as many passes in 2016, particularly Cooper, who should be healthier after struggling through plantar fasciitis a year ago. While analyses suggesting Cooper dropped 18 passes seem off the mark, ESPN Stats & Information has Cooper down for 10 drops on 126 targets, the second-highest total in the league behind Tampa's Mike Evans.

The one perhaps concerning quirk surrounding Carr's 2015 season is what happened as it went along: Namely, Carr got worse. A lot worse. His QBR during Weeks 1-9, covering Oakland's first eight games, was 11th in the league at 66.6. During Oakland's final eight games, Carr's QBR dropped to just 35.1, leaving him 28th out of 29 passers. Only Bortles, coincidentally, was worse. Carr's decline came under duress. He had the league's lowest pressure rate during the first half of the year, at 17.6 percent. Over the final eight weeks, that pressure rate leaped up to 25.0 percent. That was only eighth in the league, but it was enough to help throw Carr off track....

There is something that will have to improve, though, fluke or otherwise: Late in games, for whatever reason, Carr was a mess. He posted a 19.9 QBR in the fourth quarter and overtime, which was the second-worst mark in the league ahead of Nick Foles. Bortles, one spot ahead of Carr, finished at 31.2. Seven of Carr's 13 picks came in the fourth quarter and OT, despite the fact that he threw only 31 percent of his passes during that time frame. Only Matthew Stafford had a higher interception rate in the fourth quarter/OT (6.8 percent) than Carr (5.3 percent).

beach tribe · 08-19-2016, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Card is just lucky he's has that oline. He sucked under pressure in college.

He has the worst under pressure rating in the NFL IIRC.

beach tribe · 08-19-2016, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

People who don't believe that a good offense contributes to a better defense have never played sports. It takes significantly more energy to play defense cause you are guessing routes and then covering lots of ground chasing the ball carrier. An offense that can sustain a 5-10 minute drive does wonders in providing rest for the DB's and linebackers.

You are correct....
BUT an offense that can put up points quickly makes the other team 1 dimensional and lets pass rushers pin their ears back.

staylor26 · 08-19-2016, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

The number of people that can't resist taking Clay's bait is comical.

Talk shit, then avoid the argument. What a pillowbitergot.

**HemiEd** · 08-19-2016, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mav

Admittedly I wasn't around for that

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

but, but that was only like yesterday!

BleedingRed · 08-19-2016, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

You are correct....
BUT an offense that can put up points quickly makes the other team 1 dimensional and lets pass rushers pin their ears back.

That is true as well, however..... A offense that puts up points too fast will really tire its defense out ala Chip Kelly.

Great example is the Dallas Cowboys in 2014. Everyone thought that defense was going to be WORST EVER. But because they could march 80 yards down field in 5-7 minute range their defense got time off.

Turns out the Defense looked alot better then. They are going to duplicate it this year with Zeke The Freak. (Or at least try)

**HemiEd** · 08-19-2016, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium

Most of us don't like him. He's a douche.

I pretty much just take each poster for what they are and the ones I don't go on ignore. I still have almost the whole 49er bunch on iggy.

I find Clayton gives the board some burst and think he has matured a lot.

Good to see you back posting Jim.

**the Talking Can** · 08-19-2016, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

The number of people that can't resist taking Clay's bait is comical.

this

beach tribe · 08-19-2016, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

That is true as well, however..... A offense that puts up points too fast will really tire its defense out ala Chip Kelly.

Great example is the Dallas Cowboys in 2014. Everyone thought that defense was going to be WORST EVER. But because they could march 80 yards down field in 5-7 minute range their defense got time off.

Turns out the Defense looked alot better then. They are going to duplicate it this year with Zeke The Freak. (Or at least try)

Herm Edwards seal of approval.

Chip's teams didnt score too fast, they punted too fast.

**BossChief** · 08-19-2016, 08:46 AM

Derek Carr had 10 more scores than Alex Smith.

True, he did.

But he also had 19 combined interceptions (13) and fumbles (6)...when Alex had 10 less by only throwing 7 picks and fumbling twice...and Derek Carr had a much better OL and WRs to throw to.

So Derek Carr had 10 more scores and about 100 more yards (with 50 more attempts)...but also had 10 more turnovers. Almost double the turnovers Alex had.

Alex was better in YPA, rating, QBR, comp %, wins, rushing yards, rushing scores...and did it with lesser WRs and OL.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 08-19-2016, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Derek Carr had 10 more scores than Alex Smith.

True, he did.

But he also had 19 combined interceptions (13) and fumbles (6)...when Alex had 10 less by only throwing 7 picks and fumbling twice...and Derek Carr had a much better OL and WRs to throw to.

So Derek Carr had 10 more scores and about 100 more yards (with 50 more attempts)...but also had 10 more turnovers. Almost double the turnovers Alex had.

Alex was better in YPA, rating, QBR, comp %, wins, rushing yards, rushing scores...and did it with lesser WRs and OL.

beach tribe · 08-19-2016, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Derek Carr had 10 more scores than Alex Smith.

True, he did.

But he also had 19 combined interceptions (13) and fumbles (6)...when Alex had 10 less by only throwing 7 picks and fumbling twice...and Derek Carr had a much better OL and WRs to throw to.

So Derek Carr had 10 more scores and about 100 more yards (with 50 more attempts)...but also had 10 more turnovers. Almost double the turnovers Alex had.

Alex was better in YPA, rating, QBR, comp %, wins, rushing yards, rushing scores...and did it with lesser WRs and OL.

TOs are pretty much on par with TDs.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-19-2016, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Card is just lucky he's has that oline. He sucked under pressure in college.

Sucks in the pros against it too....which in the end if it doesn't improve it means he sucks

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-19-2016, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Derek Carr had 10 more scores than Alex Smith.

True, he did.

But he also had 19 combined interceptions (13) and fumbles (6)...when Alex had 10 less by only throwing 7 picks and fumbling twice...and Derek Carr had a much better OL and WRs to throw to.

So Derek Carr had 10 more scores and about 100 more yards (with 50 more attempts)...but also had 10 more turnovers. Almost double the turnovers Alex had.

Alex was better in YPA, rating, QBR, comp %, wins, rushing yards, rushing scores...and did it with lesser WRs and OL.

The released Clayken hath been slayed

Hammock Parties · 08-19-2016, 10:28 AM

yeah you got me boy

the Raiders should trade Carr and 2 1sts for Alex right NOW

eDave · 08-19-2016, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium

Most of us don't like him. He's a douche.

Not a bannable offense. I'm glad he's back. It's the hungry fish that make it great.

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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1504088	Derek Carr had 10 more scores than Alex Smith. True, he did. But he also had 19 combined interceptions (13) and fumbles (6)...when Alex had 10 less by only throwing 7 picks and fumbling twice...and Derek Carr had a much better OL and WRs to throw to. So Derek Carr had 10 more scores and about 100 more yards (with 50 more attempts)...but also had 10 more turnovers. Almost double the turnovers Alex had. Alex was better in YPA, rating, QBR, comp %, wins, rushing yards, rushing scores...and did it with lesser WRs and OL. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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