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Quesadilla Joe · 07:16 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e88612427.html

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milkman · 07-16-2016, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

As I said before, this is why Dorsey selected the mass haul of DBs in the draft because Berry was being difficult

No it isn't, you useless dipshit.

staylor26 · 07-16-2016, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No it isn't, you useless dipshit.

All of them were corners, and the one that will probably move to safety is going to be used in Abdullah's slot safety role.

planetdoc · 07-16-2016, 07:24 PM

I'm not worried longterm. I am confident that Ron Parker can play FS at a high level, and that the chiefs have enough talented defensive backs and linebackers who could be used as a SS.

Sutton used a lot more safeties because it had depth and was a strength of the team. He could just as easily shift to using more CBs if some of these young dbs pan out.

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2...7-58c17b358247

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Originally Posted by Dorsey

“I think the game of football has changed and evolved more into a passing (game), probably in the last five years. So now, not only are you going vertical, you’re going horizontal and vertical. I think you see the different packages that are now being installed by defensive coordinators. And I think it is important to have as many good defensive backs on your team as you possibly can have. And that’s not taking away from the base package, the defensive linemen, some of the linebackers. I think that’s why you’re now starting to see some of your conventional inside backers that are now bigger safeties evolving into that package, a la – if you go to Arizona, they have a safety that’s evolved now. And Bob Sutton runs that same scheme as well.”

kinda like how they are using Daniel Sorenson, and possibly what they are envisioning of Justin March who at just under 6' and 227lbs is a little small for a traditional 3-4 ILB.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/nfl/kan...e84009672.html

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Originally Posted by perez taylor

One area where March shined last year — and has continued to shine in offseason workouts this month — is in pass coverage. He’s had multiple pass breakups in coverage in practices, and he shows good athleticism and change-of-direction skills for a linebacker, a boon in today’s pass-happy NFL.

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2...4-4b6b91e03591

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Originally Posted by Dorsey

"I think the one thing we like to do is we like to try to see if we can get some speed at that position [linebacker]. The game has changed a little bit. I think the one thing that these guys can do is they can run to the football, which is good. I think they have a really nice feel for the position. They understand the passing components of the game, but they're also physical enough where they can stack inside on the running game.

staylor26 · 07-16-2016, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc

I'm not worried longterm. I am confident that Ron Parker can play FS at a high level, and that the chiefs have enough talented defensive backs and linebackers who could be used as a SS.

Sutton used a lot more safeties because it had depth and was a strength of the team. He could just as easily shift to using more CBs if some of these young dbs pan out.

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2...7-58c17b358247

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2...4-4b6b91e03591

Interesting. Those quotes kinda go along with what I was saying here:

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I agree, but not trading up for Lynch and not getting a deal done with Berry were not "mistakes".

Not spending a draft pick on a box safety? Now that was a mistake, but hindsight is 20/20, and we still have one more offseason to get that guy.

Who knows? Maybe Shakiel Randolph is that guy. And maybe they intend on playing two ILB's (DJ and March) more often.

RunKC · 07-16-2016, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I agree, but not trading up for Lynch and not getting a deal done with Berry were not "mistakes".

Not spending a draft pick on a box safety? Now that was a mistake, but hindsight is 20/20, and we still have one more offseason to get that guy.

Who knows? Maybe Shakiel Randolph is that guy. And maybe they intend on playing two ILB's (DJ and March) more often.

You know this how? You have no idea how Lynch will turn out. Nobody does.

Every NFL casual fan and GM outside of KC would take Derek Carr over Dee Ford if they had to choose today.

**Rain Man** · 07-16-2016, 08:03 PM

I don't really pay attention to contracts since I have accountants who handle that stuff. Does this news on Berry signal that he's in his last year with the team, or is it likely that a deal will get done next year/

staylor26 · 07-16-2016, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

You know this how? You have no idea how Lynch will turn out. Nobody does.

Every NFL casual fan and GM outside of KC would take Derek Carr over Dee Ford if they had to choose today.

I know that he's never going to be anything special with his mental limitations. His ceiling is Flacco, and just like Carr he's not a guy I'm going to lose sleep over for passing up.

Carr is extremely overrated. He was terrible down the stretch, and another guy I think will be held back because of the mental aspect. We might not have a legitimate QBOTF on the roster, but guys like Ford and Jones can actually help this team win a SB RIGHT NOW, which is what I'm more
concerned with. If we win it all in the next couple years I wouldn't care less that we passed on a couple of QB's that will never be elite.

When the Raiders have to pay up for Carr he will go from asset on a good contract to an overpaid QB with a contract that makes him difficult to build around.

These guys are not Manning/Brady/Rodgers caliber.

**The Bad Guy** · 07-16-2016, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

As I said before, this is why Dorsey selected the mass haul of DBs in the draft because Berry was being difficult

And as I've said before, you're stupid.

The Chiefs selected a mass haul of DBs because they lost their starter, and 2 important safeties, and converted 2 corners to safety.

BryanBusby · 07-16-2016, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I know that he's never going to be anything special with his mental limitations. His ceiling is Flacco, and just like Carr he's not a guy I'm going to lose sleep over for passing up.

Carr is extremely overrated. He was terrible down the stretch, and another guy I think will be held back because of the mental aspect. We might not have a legitimate QBOTF on the roster, but guys like Ford and Jones can actually help this team win a SB RIGHT NOW, which is what I'm more
concerned with. If we win it all in the next couple years I wouldn't care less that we passed on a couple of QB's that will never be elite.

When the Raiders have to pay up for Carr he will go from asset on a good contract to an overpaid QB with a contract that makes him difficult to build around.

These guys are not Manning/Brady/Rodgers caliber.

Lmao alright Miss Cleo

Nobody has a clue how Carr's career will project and Ford isn't going to help the team win when he often runs himself out of plays.

planetdoc · 07-16-2016, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Does this news on Berry signal that he's in his last year with the team, or is it likely that a deal will get done next year/

just like this yr, it will likely depend on whether the Chiefs and Berry can agree on his value/worth and if any other safeties step up.

Its the same thing with Jamaal Charles. Ware and West make Charles more expendible in 2017 than if the chiefs didnt have proven backups with starter ability.

**Meatloaf** · 07-16-2016, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I don't really pay attention to contracts since I have accountants who handle that stuff. Does this news on Berry signal that he's in his last year with the team, or is it likely that a deal will get done next year/

I think this will be Berry's last year as a Chief. If they couldn't get a deal done now, and if the rumor is true that they were never really even close to a deal, well, it'd sure seem that getting a deal done after this year is unlikely. He be gone.

staylor26 · 07-16-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Lmao alright Miss Cleo

Nobody has a clue how Carr's career will project and Ford isn't going to help the team win when he often runs himself out of plays.

Ford won a game on his own to keep our playoff hopes alive last season.

That's more than Carr would've done on our bench behind Smith.

You guys can keep acting like Ford is a certified bust, but the fact is he could've easily had an 8+ sack season had he started all 16 games, and should this season assuming he stays healthy.

He was among the leagues best in pressures from when he started to the end of the season, and if those pressures start turning into sacks he will be looked upon in a much different light, just like Fisher last year.

I'm betting he does and him and Houston turn into a dynamic duo coming off the edge

staylor26 · 07-16-2016, 08:29 PM

Also, what is up with all the hypocrisy today?

I'm miss Cleo for saying Carr won't be elite, but you can write off Ford after 7 or 8 starts?

BryanBusby · 07-16-2016, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Ford won a game on his own to keep our playoff hopes alive last season.

That's more than Carr would've done on our bench behind Smith.

You guys can keep acting like Ford is a certified bust, but the fact is he could've easily had an 8 sack season had he started all 16 games, and should this season assuming he stays healthy.

He was among the leagues best in pressures from when he started to the end of the season, and if those pressures start turning into sacks he will be looked upon in a much different light, just like Fisher last year.

I'm betting he does and him and Houston turn into a dynamic duo coming off the edge

He racked up a group of sacks against like a 4th or 5th string Left Tackle. He had an unusual situation for one rainy ass Sunday and just ran real fast with mixed results at best for the rest of the time.

Dee Ford has been a disappointment and will be a bust if he doesn't produce results. He hasn't had the playing time because he hasn't shown enough to take snaps away from an old and tired Tamba.

**penguinz** · 07-16-2016, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I agree, but not trading up for Lynch and not getting a deal done with Berry were not "mistakes".

Not spending a draft pick on a box safety? Now that was a mistake, but hindsight is 20/20, and we still have one more offseason to get that guy.

Who knows? Maybe Shakiel Randolph is that guy. And maybe they intend on playing two ILB's (DJ and March) more often.

Do you really think they will run two ILB in their 34 based defense? That is really thinking outside the box.

07-09-2016, 09:18 AM
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3428675	Eric Berry ‘a bit surprised’ on lack of extension progress http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e88612427.html Spoiler! Against the backdrop of approximately 352 kids laughing, jumping and playing on a humid summer night, Chiefs safety Eric Berry wore a smile on his face as he stood on the turf at North Kansas City High School and explained what he knew about his current contract status. And Berry — who has until July 15 to get an extension done with the Chiefs, lest he play the 2016 under the one-year franchise tag — took a break from his sixth annual free youth football camp on Friday and made a few things clear. One, he absolutely still wants to be a Chief for the long term. And, two, yes, he is a bit surprised it’s taken so long for a new deal to get done. “I thought it would progress a little bit more,” Berry said. “But it’s still been pretty much the same since the last time we talked. A lot can change in a week. A lot can change for whenever the deadline is.” Berry’s surprise makes sense. Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said at the NFL’s annual meeting in March that he’s hopeful to get a long-term deal done with Berry, and that he’s “certainly” somebody that they “would like to be a Chief for a very, very long time.” Hunt added that he got a sense that Berry shared the sentiment to stay, a notion the 27-year old Berry — who has spent the last seven years with the Chiefs — also said in March and repeated Friday. “Obviously I’d love to be a Chief — I want to be a Chief long term, just because of the community, the staff, from top to bottom, the players and everything,” Berry said. “But sometimes things don’t go as planned, and I’m prepared for that, but hopefully it goes as planned, and I’m prepared for that, as well.” If the Chiefs can’t reach a new deal with Berry before the July 15 deadline, Berry would have to play the 2016 season under the $10.8 million franchise tender. However, he could also hold off on signing the tender, which would allow him to skip training camp and the preseason and return shortly before the regular season and still collect his full $10.8 million salary. Still, an extension is sensible for both sides. Although the franchise tender is good money (and guaranteed, too) Berry stands to collect far more guaranteed money with a new deal, as he has the same number of all-pro selections (two) and three more Pro Bowl selections (four) than the league’s highest-paid safety, Harrison Smith, who recently signed a five-year, $51.25 million pact with the Vikings that includes nearly $29 million guaranteed. What’s more, assuming Berry agreed to a richer deal than Smith’s, the cash-strapped Chiefs — who have a league-low $226,818 in cap space. according to the NFL Players Association — would still stand to create a minimum of $3 million or so in cap room this year with an extension. Iit’s worth noting the team already has a significant amount of money committed to 2017 — upwards of $166 million, which already surpasses the 2016 cap number of $155 million. The Chiefs also have the option of rescinding the tender on Berry, which would create $10.8 million in cap room. However, that would make one of their most popular — and more important — players an unrestricted free agent, which hardly seems like a reasonable option for a team with Super Bowl aspirations. “It’s a completely different atmosphere (without him),” said center Mitch Morse, who helped out at Berry’s camp on Friday. “I’ve only met a few people who, when they walk into a room full of people, that you feel their presence and people immediately shut up. He’s such a profound speaker, and he has profound things to say, and you inherently want to listen and gain knowledge. You respect the hell out of him.” Berry, who fast-tracked his way back from a December 2014 diagnosis of Hodgkin lymphoma to return in time for the start of training camp last July, served as the emotional leader of the 2015 Chiefs, which rallied from a 1-5 start to win 11 straight games, including their first playoff win in 22 years. He did it on the field too, as he looked quicker and faster than in previous seasons — he was back to playing at his college weight of 210 pounds — on the way to racking up 61 tackles, 10 pass deflections and two interceptions and make the Pro Bowl, be named an all-pro and win the NFL’s comeback player of the year award. “He’s one of the main focal points of this team,” said Morse, whose comments have been parroted by several teammates, including quarterback Alex Smith. “He means a lot to Chiefs Kingdom, and he sure as hell means a lot to us, as players. We’re incomplete without him and we love the energy and passion he brings.” Still, business is business, and Berry understands that. One of his closest friends on the team is outside linebacker Justin Houston, who was franchise-tagged in March 2015 after a 22-sack season and had to wait out the next several months as his agent, Joel Segal, and the Chiefs hammered out a six-year, $101 million extension right before the July 15 deadline. “It’s crazy because I was talking to him when he was going through the exact same thing — it’s like roles have switched just a year later,” Berry said. “He just keeps telling me to be patient and control what I can control. So I gave him that advice, and he’s given me the same advice. That’s all I can do.” So Berry, who has always believed in letting his work speak for himself, has spent the last several months training in Florida, getting ready for the season. He looked trim and happy as he worked with the kids on Friday — the turnout was the best his camp in Kansas City has ever had, by the way — his trademark brown, red-tinged hair and goatee fluffy and full, a stark contrast to the way he looked last summer, even after his chemo treatments had long come to an end. To be sure, Berry is grateful for that, a fact that came across as he spoke optimistically about his goals for the next several months, despite the uncertainty of his contract situation. “I definitely want to get a ring, and I definitely want to be a Chief,” Berry said. “Hopefully, we can make that happen.” And to be clear, Berry hasn’t lost faith, regardless of his surprise at the lack of recent progress. “You know miracles happen — I’m a witness,” Berry said with a smile. “So it might go down to the wire, you know ... and hopefully they handle their end, and hopefully it comes together like it’s supposed to.” Last edited by Quesadilla Joe; 02-26-2017 at 07:16 PM..
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