Chiefs Chiefs press conference on Tyreek Hill - Page 10

**RealSNR** · 04-30-2016, 07:47 PM

Starting a whole new thread about this because I think it's a pretty important to get the justification and story from the people who made the pick. Was posted in the original thread, but I know it's going to get lost in the still vibrant discussion.

Basically, Dorsey would normally let his scout team handle questions about the last day so he can do UDFA stuff, but he felt he needed to address the press and media about it before too many stories got carried away. So they spent basically a full 20 minutes discussing the morality of picking somebody like Hill.

http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/v...c-90e1d8adc228

For people who don't really care to listen, Dorsey and Reid basically give a single answer: "We've done our homework, so please trust us."

Props go to Terez Paylor for asking the tough and pointed questions about this. He's got some balls as a journalist that I've never seen out of the KC Star.

Molitoth · 05-01-2016, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

WalMart is already selling his jersey.

lol

**Fire Me Boy!** · 05-01-2016, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief

The question really comes down to if you believe he deserves a second chance at football, that's it. There is no defending his actions. He gone through the legal process. Andy Reid believes in second chances, always has. This heat is NOTHING compared to what happened in Philly with Vick.

Second chance at life, yes. But JMO, earning millions and playing a sport at the highest level to earn that living is a privilege. You **** up, you don't get that privilege.

ping2000 · 05-01-2016, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Second chance at life, yes. But JMO, earning millions and playing a sport at the highest level to earn that living is a privilege. You **** up, you don't get that privilege.

Interesting reply to my post!

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**Fire Me Boy!** · 05-01-2016, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ping2000

Interesting reply to my post!

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I don't know what you're talking about. I obviously replied to nychief.

nychief · 05-01-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Second chance at life, yes. But JMO, earning millions and playing a sport at the highest level to earn that living is a privilege. You **** up, you don't get that privilege.

sure. but time and time again, the nfl and the chiefs have granted that chance... i'm just having trouble finding the goal posts among fans. It's really the league's fault. If there were some actual rules or guidelines, other than the commissioner's whim, this might not be a gray area. The way things stand, it just comes across like violence toward women is acceptable, but violence toward pregnant women is not.

**Bufkin** · 05-01-2016, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

That's because it's a football forum and not a Domestic abuse forum. I don't like what he did at all, but we are talking about a kid here and not some grown ass adult. He ****ed up. People around here want to break out the pitch forks and stones. Seems like the crowds in medieval times cheering when they beheaded someone at the guillotine. You would have thought the guy murdered and raped an entire village.

You know who else ****ed up? Casey Anthony

#2ndChances #FreeCasey #EveryoneMakesMistakes #SheWasJustImmature

Deberg_1990 · 05-01-2016, 08:54 AM

If he starts making plays and scoring TDs, all will be forgotten.

Sad reality of sports

**Nzoner** · 05-01-2016, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy!

Second chance at life, yes. But JMO, earning millions and playing a sport at the highest level to earn that living is a privilege. You **** up, you don't get that privilege.

It'd be damn hard to have 32 teams then

MIAdragon · 05-01-2016, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah.

I hope the one who sucks the penis blows out his ****ing knee getting dressed and never plays a snap.

I absolutely will not call beating a pregnant woman 'a mistake' and no I will not be cheering for him. Ever.

**** you, Dorsey.

Is it time to launch the aircraft to voice displeasure? I'd chip in a sizable portion.

tmax63 · 05-01-2016, 09:07 AM

I guess you either feel that people deserve a second chance or not. It's hypocritical to say he deserves a 2nd chance but he can't do this or this or this or this. As nychief asked, where do you set the goal posts. Is it okay for him to do something making minimum wage and live in poverty only or can he do something that makes him a honest living and support his family? Can he make $25K a year but not $50K? Can he use his God-given talent to earn a living or must he do something else? Not having a way out is a big reason for turning decent kids into thugs and criminals.

NJChiefsFan · 05-01-2016, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Not really. He's probably a piece of shit. But I'm not naive enough to think that we have 53 "good guys." The NFL doesn't have near the talent if character eliminates dudes from playing in the league.

You never know, there are probably some guys that would have done the same thing if they were in the same situation, and we still cheer for them.

I'm not fond of the pick, but I'm also not going to pretend that we haven't cheered for dudes like this.

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That's poor justification. Although most justification is. There are plenty of people that get away with breaking the law, doesn't mean we let the ones we catch free because of that. We certainly have unwillingly rooted for bad guys before, doesn't mean we should give someone a pass because of that.

I don't know what really happened. Pleading guilty doesn't mean it all happened but some of his quotes are enough to be a massive problem for me. I do trust that dorsey and reid believe he will work out, but that's simply not the point. Unless they know that he did nothing wrong and took the deal to avoid jail, it's not acceptable.

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Dude, he ****ing admitted it. Don't give us some bullshit theory about him being forced to admit something he didn't do as part of a plea bargain. If you're accused of doing something so vile and disgusting, AND YOU DIDN'T DO IT, you don't say you did do it, and call it a mistake.

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You can't assume that everyone thinks like you, even if your thought process is something I would feel as well. I would do anything to take a false accusation like this off my name. Facing real jail time though might change that, I don't really know not being in the situation.

His comments do make it seem impossible it was all false, and even a shove of a pregnant woman is unacceptable.

As for the second chance, the guy would have to take full responsibility and making comments about better friends is not doing so. I do believe that finances come in here. This is a gift to play in this league, and unless I got facts I'm currently not privy to, I just wouldn't reward him with this. I don't know where the line is with where the second chance begins. That's a valid question. I just think it's not here.

track · 05-01-2016, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tmax63

I guess you either feel that people deserve a second chance or not. It's hypocritical to say he deserves a 2nd chance but he can't do this or this or this or this. As nychief asked, where do you set the goal posts. Is it okay for him to do something making minimum wage and live in poverty only or can he do something that makes him a honest living and support his family? Can he make $25K a year but not $50K? Can he use his God-given talent to earn a living or must he do something else? Not having a way out is a big reason for turning decent kids into thugs and criminals.

Makes sense.

**notorious** · 05-01-2016, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu

What a disaster of a press conference. Can't remember ever seeing someone look as uncomfortable as Dorsey did. Reid bailed him out over and over. Reid can take the heat. I'm not sure Dorsey can.

It was a Reid pick. He probably told Dorsey after the conference,"Don't worry, after Hill shreds Denver on prime time these reporters will be lined up ready to kiss your ass".

SPATCH · 05-01-2016, 09:31 AM

This isn't about "second chances" or any of that romantic bullshit. Dorsey and Reid did a risk/reward assessment and decided the risk that Hill would be a repeat offender and get himself suspended was low enough that they could use a 5th rounder on him. That's it.

This is a football team.

And, another thing. The idea that Tyreek Hill doesn't fit in Dorsey's "family environment" lockerroom? Um, hello. What in the hell excludes this guy from being able to integrate into the lockerroom? A domestic assault? I guess I missed the part about men who commit domestic assault being unable to make friends?

This is exactly like when I was a kid and there was a huge shitstorm swirling around Bill Clinton for cheating on his wife and there was a huge faction of people that wanted him impeached. Or the Gary Hart thing. Same thing. I didn't get it. What did any of this have to do with being president. Even as a kid I understood how strange it was to be prying so deeply into somebody's private life. As long as private matters don't effect job performance, that's all that matters. That's true with presidents, that's true with plumbers, that's true with football players.

Quit acting like a bunch of gossiping girls. This is a football team. You shouldn't be so concerned with any of these guy's private lives, good or bad.

**LoneWolf** · 05-01-2016, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I guess we know who the CP wife beater is.

Yes, because I think there is more to this story than what is being reported I'm a wife beater. Do you actually think that if Hill beat the shit out if this girl and punched her in the stomach knowing she was pregnant, that Dorsey would have drafted him and Clark would have signed off on it?

I'm sure something happened and I'm sure Hill did something wrong, but I highly doubt he repeatedly punched this woman in her face and stomach and then choked her for over a minute. Hypothetically, if you found out that they were arguing and she was slapping him and he pushed her to get her away from him, would you still consider him a piece of shit who doesn't deserve to play in the NFL?

What's also not being reported at all is that a month prior to this incident Hill called the police on this woman to have her removed from his apartment. She has also admitted that in the past she suffered bruises and hickeys during rough consensual sex with Tyreek.

Something doesn't add up, and I'm not willing to deny a kid a shot at his dream based on one unsubstantiated incident. If he gets in trouble again, lock him up and throw away the key, but for know IMO he deserves a second chance.

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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $1930208	Chiefs press conference on Tyreek Hill Starting a whole new thread about this because I think it's a pretty important to get the justification and story from the people who made the pick. Was posted in the original thread, but I know it's going to get lost in the still vibrant discussion. Basically, Dorsey would normally let his scout team handle questions about the last day so he can do UDFA stuff, but he felt he needed to address the press and media about it before too many stories got carried away. So they spent basically a full 20 minutes discussing the morality of picking somebody like Hill. http://www.chiefs.com/media-center/v...c-90e1d8adc228 For people who don't really care to listen, Dorsey and Reid basically give a single answer: "We've done our homework, so please trust us." Props go to Terez Paylor for asking the tough and pointed questions about this. He's got some balls as a journalist that I've never seen out of the KC Star.
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tmax63 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $3020400	I guess you either feel that people deserve a second chance or not. It's hypocritical to say he deserves a 2nd chance but he can't do this or this or this or this. As nychief asked, where do you set the goal posts. Is it okay for him to do something making minimum wage and live in poverty only or can he do something that makes him a honest living and support his family? Can he make $25K a year but not $50K? Can he use his God-given talent to earn a living or must he do something else? Not having a way out is a big reason for turning decent kids into thugs and criminals. __________________ An armed member of society is a citizen, an unarmed member is a subject.
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SPATCH birth of spatch Join Date: May 2008 Casino cash: $10006207	This isn't about "second chances" or any of that romantic bullshit. Dorsey and Reid did a risk/reward assessment and decided the risk that Hill would be a repeat offender and get himself suspended was low enough that they could use a 5th rounder on him. That's it. This is a football team. And, another thing. The idea that Tyreek Hill doesn't fit in Dorsey's "family environment" lockerroom? Um, hello. What in the hell excludes this guy from being able to integrate into the lockerroom? A domestic assault? I guess I missed the part about men who commit domestic assault being unable to make friends? This is exactly like when I was a kid and there was a huge shitstorm swirling around Bill Clinton for cheating on his wife and there was a huge faction of people that wanted him impeached. Or the Gary Hart thing. Same thing. I didn't get it. What did any of this have to do with being president. Even as a kid I understood how strange it was to be prying so deeply into somebody's private life. As long as private matters don't effect job performance, that's all that matters. That's true with presidents, that's true with plumbers, that's true with football players. Quit acting like a bunch of gossiping girls. This is a football team. You shouldn't be so concerned with any of these guy's private lives, good or bad. Last edited by SPATCH; 05-01-2016 at 09:43 AM..
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