The Super Bowl was rigged...

[B2chiefsfan]

That is all...

[LoneWolf]

[QUOTE=smellypitts;12108918]
Truth isn't something you need to prove. Truth exists whether you know how to prove it or define it or you dont.
QUOTE]

Using your above definition, give me an example of a truth.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

The superbowl is rigged...truth/thread

[Mile High Mania]

When I was younger and wrapped up in WWF and all that stuff, I had friends and parents of friends that used to make fun of those that bought into 'wrasslin being real'. I watched it because I enjoyed the story lines and the action was fun. I grew out of it years ago.

Through the years, you'd run into people that were passionate about it being fake and wondering how anyone could waste their time believing it might be real. Similar to what a few of you are doing in this thread with tall the talk of the NFL being rigged and the faithful fans being brainless twits.

Difference was, those that made fun of wrestling never spent that much time watching it and had there been Internet forums back then, I doubt seriously they would have spent any time online wasting time debating it with people they view as beneath them or mindless drones simply 'marching to the beat of their master's drum'. They just carried on with their lives.

Pitts and Ops specifically... it just sounds like you hate the product and distrust the league so much, why spend any time debating it and denouncing it? Why waste your time and your money? It sounds so insane to devote this much time on something so obviously corrupt, in your view.

I know, the simple response is "this coming from a Broncos' fan on a Chiefs' board"... get past that and maybe examine what's wrong in your lives that this is how you fill that void. The two of you share this talk track that is a bit comical at times. And, since its the off-season, others are buying in to the discussion... the game has obviously soured for both of you, so let it go and move on.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

I guess the question...considering the amount of personal attacks...is why does one feel compelled to defend a group of 32 billionaires with such hostility? Aren't these the same bloodsuckers that charge $30 to park ($60 in Chicago) and $10 for a Miller Lite? That force you to buy seat licenses...they are extortionists. They get the taxpayers to fund their coliseums. They are already making $230 million without selling a single ticket. They certainly arent passing those advertising profits to the fans. $10 parking and $5 dollar beers would be a sign they arent crooked. They dont care..it's about the money. To think they would never have an official nudge the score 3 points in a certain direction to make billions is naive. Shit...I would do it..it's totally legal. Projecting one's individual morality on a billionaire businessman...and expecting them to be in alignment is interesting.

If you could control scores and make billions while having the power to police your own corporation and cover up any scandal...and it being legal regardless....would YOU do it?

Zero people here are defending NFL owners. People are defending common sense and critical thinking.

[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by smellypitts

Lol you call yourself an adult and still chirp that crap?
The legal system is which lawyer can best the other regardless of truth. The legal system has nothing to do with truth and reality.
Often times procedure and legalities get in the way of truth.
Truth isn't something you need to prove. Truth exists whether you know how to prove it or define it or you dont.

The legal system is the human interpretation of truth,not the adherence to the actuality of what is truth.

Stop watching CSI et al. Then either pick up a few books, or stab yourself in the eyes for being a moron.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Dan Moldea is not an historian. He's a crackpot. If you choose to get your "research" from a crackpot with no credibility then you are nuts.

Here is a little tip: Anyone can write a book. The fact that you read something in a book doesn't make it right or lend it any credibility. There is no peer review for these kind of books. Anyone can literally put any crazy thing they want in them.

Serious question and let's put Moldea aside,if the following has happened why is it so hard to even entertain the possibility that the NFL has corruption as well?

1919 World Series fixed

1978-79 Boston College Point Shaving scheme

NBA Scandal

[Mile High Mania]

I don't know that anyone is suggesting there is zero corruption or that there haven't been issues in the past... I think it's the scale and magnitude that most are mocking.

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by Fish

Zero people here are defending NFL owners. People are defending common sense and critical thinking.

Wrong,you are defending your interpretation of it,your perceptions of it,your faith and belief of it. Your view is certainly common and the norm but you have no proof it's right.

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

Stop watching CSI et al. Then either pick up a few books, or stab yourself in the eyes for being a moron.

I don't watch but a couple formulaic hour long tv shows.
And you still want me to read the logic the system gave you to make you believe in fabricated reality tv. Arguing logic won't prove Denver won on th up and up. My common sense and critical thought tells me they didnt and I've researched my belief for 2 years. Since I don't recognize your name,you are quite a few examples behind and should read those.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by smellypitts

Wrong,you are defending your interpretation of it,your perceptions of it,your faith and belief of it. Your view is certainly common and the norm but you have no proffered it's right.

Alrighty then. Maybe one day you'll wise up and realize that the rabbit hole you're currently floundering around in is one that you've dug yourself, and the world isn't really as secretly nefarious as you'd like to believe. Or not.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Nzoner

Serious question and let's put Moldea aside,if the following has happened why is it so hard to even entertain the possibility that the NFL has corruption as well?

1919 World Series fixed

1978-79 Boston College Point Shaving scheme

NBA Scandal

I don't doubt that there has been or could be corruption. Some games could be officiated in a way to "nudge" the outcome to a desired result. Anything is possible. That's why I don't lump you in with nut jobs like Rabble Rouser, BlackOp and smellypitts, who believe that the entire thing is scripted like professional wrestling.

Those guys are loons.

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

When I was younger and wrapped up in WWF and all that stuff, I had friends and parents of friends that used to make fun of those that bought into 'wrasslin being real'. I watched it because I enjoyed the story lines and the action was fun. I grew out of it years ago.

Through the years, you'd run into people that were passionate about it being fake and wondering how anyone could waste their time believing it might be real. Similar to what a few of you are doing in this thread with tall the talk of the NFL being rigged and the faithful fans being brainless twits.

Difference was, those that made fun of wrestling never spent that much time watching it and had there been Internet forums back then, I doubt seriously they would have spent any time online wasting time debating it with people they view as beneath them or mindless drones simply 'marching to the beat of their master's drum'. They just carried on with their lives.

Pitts and Ops specifically... it just sounds like you hate the product and distrust the league so much, why spend any time debating it and denouncing it? Why waste your time and your money? It sounds so insane to devote this much time on something so obviously corrupt, in your view.

I know, the simple response is "this coming from a Broncos' fan on a Chiefs' board"... get past that and maybe examine what's wrong in your lives that this is how you fill that void. The two of you share this talk track that is a bit comical at times. And, since its the off-season, others are buying in to the discussion... the game has obviously soured for both of you, so let it go and move on.

Ultimately I dont/no one thinks anyone is brainless. That's just the cut n dry forum speak being used. If you'll notice,i
haven't even used the word "sheeple... ( lol sheeplebot just showed up in autocorrect)

A few of us have already answered your question a few times.
We know it's entertainment and treat it as such. I just know now not have false hope in an outcome both game and season long that 8 know isn't happening because I've already seem the pattern/ formula far too many times and the numbers I've crunched with past team dynasties prove it as the examples I've given.
I've paid attention to sports, so its easy to keep up with. I don't know crap about basketball or baseball or hockey anymore but all I have to do is Google standings and a couple articles and I know who's hot and who's not and I'm all caught up and can easily bullshit my way through a cliche sports conversation because I know all the lingo.
I like sports memorabilia, helmets n such. I'm one of those guys that likes to make uniforms for mlb the show Diamond Dynasty.
I watch the first 3 parts of the baseball history series all the time.
My friends like sports and its great to go out on a man night and be with them. I've seen so called "I hate sports" forums but since those people are the geeks of the world that never even liked sports,I find them boring. The sites are hardly active anyway lol.
I'm still keeping my baseball cards and putting them in sheets. They aren't worth much anyway now since they made so many in the 80s and 90s and everyone has them. Just creative ,fun reminders of the past....and big Afros lol

[Toby Waller]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

I don't doubt that there has been or could be corruption. Some games could be officiated in a way to "nudge" the outcome to a desired result. Anything is possible. That's why I don't lump you in with nut jobs like Rabble Rouser, BlackOp and smellypitts, who believe that the entire thing is scripted like professional wrestling.

Those guys are loons.

How come the loons didn't spend a single minute for two weeks (3 weeks in my case,before the Denver,Pats game) thinking Carolina had a chance? I'm pretty sure I was Adamant here that Carolina was beating Seattle as well. I've had more success the last 2 years picking games based on a storyline then on thinking I knew who was favored or better. I picked Bears over Packers on Thanksgiving and Denver over Pats in season with a back up QB when no one else did,among many other games. You can't call it luck when it happens that often.
At the beginning of the year...on twitter, Russell Wilson's official twitter,he tweeted something to the effect of they were already 1-0 before the game started against Rams. I'm sure Seattle was favored and all the money was on them anyway. I picked Rams and I was right. I don't call that luck or a coincidence.
I can't be that lucky going against the grain that much.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I'm more in the nzoner line of thinking. Money influences the results of many of these games. No doubt about it. Especially this year. Have seen far too many games outcomes decided by "interpretations of rules". "Not necessarily the right call, but the refs pulled it out of their asses anyway and technically it could be a vague rule!!!"

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Pitts and Ops specifically... it just sounds like you hate the product and distrust the league so much, why spend any time debating it and denouncing it? Why waste your time and your money? It sounds so insane to devote this much time on something so obviously corrupt, in your view.

Well, I used to like the sport...but over the past few years what I was suspicious about has become more overt and blatant. I was on a fence but the last two seasons coupled with internet access to the history of the NFL and how's it's legally constructed has led me to souring on it. That and how sports gambling is now a rampant multi-billion dollar monster...

Too many last second heroics, bogus officiating and predictable storylines to take serious now. The billion dollar advertising deal transitioned it into a vehicle for product placement and network ratings. My time invested in this thread is about raising awareness so the sport comes under regulation. There are threads on every football forum questioning this very thing. People are starting to sense something is off... If enough start to lose interest and question it's validity...it will force a change in the structure.