Football Jaye Howard or Sean Smith - Page 13

kccrow · 01-20-2016, 08:49 PM

Which would you sign.

For the sake of argument, let's assume the following contracts (without getting into the details too much):

Sean Smith gets a 5 year, 52.5 million deal (10.5 per). First year cap hit is 6.6 m to fit cap constraints. Roughly on par with Byron Maxwell's deal (5th highest for a CB).

Jaye Howard gets a 4 year, 36 million deal (9.0 per). First year cap hit is 6.6 m to fit cap constraints. Roughly on par with Derek Wolfe's and Jurrell Casey's deals (6th and 7th highest for 3-4 DE).

kccrow · 01-24-2016, 04:54 PM

How would you guys feel if the Chiefs let both Howard and Smith walk, and instead re-signed DeVito to something like 2 years, 5 million and another lesser tier free agent like Trumaine Johnson at 4 years, 26 million?

Mr. Laz · 01-24-2016, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

How would you guys feel if the Chiefs let both Howard and Smith walk, and instead re-signed DeVito to something like 2 years, 5 million and another lesser tier free agent like Trumaine Johnson at 4 years, 26 million?

like shit

Devito?

Saccopoo · 01-24-2016, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

like shit

Devito?

DeVito had a nice season. Was as effective as Howard was.

I wouldn't overpay for Howard in free agency. Nunez-Roches, Williams and a significantly cheaper DeVito are just fine.

**RealSNR** · 01-24-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

And how about Gaines? I'm sure we didn't miss him at all

We didn't miss him at all because we don't know what life is like when he does play.

We need to put Gaines in the Sanders Commings camp. Move on from him. If he decides he wants to stop being an injured vagina, then he can eat at the big kids table. We'll be glad for it. If not, then no loss on our part.

Mr. Laz · 01-24-2016, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

DeVito had a nice season. Was as effective as Howard was.

I wouldn't overpay for Howard in free agency. Nunez-Roches, Williams and a significaly cheaper DeVito are just fine.

now Howard is Devito

smh

RunKC · 01-24-2016, 06:15 PM

Howard has had ONE good year.

one year does not get an elite contract. If he wants $8+m a year then he can go **** himself

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 01-24-2016, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Howard has had ONE good year.

one year does not get an elite contract. If he wants $8+m a year then he can go **** himself

Can't help but agree that Howard played his heart out and got above average results at best. Move on from him. Dorsey don't be a moron and sign away money that we can use on a right tackle like Mike Remmers!!

OldSchool · 01-24-2016, 11:25 PM

Howard. He's a pretty big piece up front for us. Smith is a solid CB but he has too many weaknesses for me to want to pay top dollars to keep him (lacks quickness and ideal ball skills).

OldSchool · 01-24-2016, 11:26 PM

That being said though, I trust Dorsey's ability to find guys who can step in and at least play at a solid level.

**RealSNR** · 01-24-2016, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Howard has had ONE good year.

one year does not get an elite contract. If he wants $8+m a year then he can go **** himself

2014 was pretty good as well.

He's not getting elite money. He's not getting Ndamukong Suh or JJ Watt money, for ****'s sake. He's getting a pretty decent contract to be a starter and get plugged into multiple spots along the defensive line.

Tamba Hali basically had one good year as a 3-4 OLB when Pioli gave him his contract. Same with Derrick Johnson. Same with Allen Bailey.

Howard was on his rookie contract. He needed time. He got time, and the last two years of his contract he played very good football and ended up developing into our most valuable DL.

Chief Northman · 01-24-2016, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

We didn't miss him at all because we don't know what life is like when he does play.

We need to put Gaines in the Sanders Commings camp. Move on from him. If he decides he wants to stop being an injured vagina, then he can eat at the big kids table. We'll be glad for it. If not, then no loss on our part.

Amen.

The one minor gripe I have with Dorsey is the penchant to draft a high ceiling, super athletic BROKEDICK.
Fisher almost turned into one.
Kelce missed a season.
DAT may be out of football.
Commings had a history.
Gaines had a history.

Lay off the brokedicks Dorsey!

Chiefshrink · 01-24-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

2014 was pretty good as well.

He's not getting elite money. He's not getting Ndamukong Suh or JJ Watt money, for ****'s sake. He's getting a pretty decent contract to be a starter and get plugged into multiple spots along the defensive line.

Tamba Hali basically had one good year as a 3-4 OLB when Pioli gave him his contract. Same with Derrick Johnson. Same with Allen Bailey.

Howard was on his rookie contract. He needed time. He got time, and the last two years of his contract he played very good football and ended up developing into our most valuable DL.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-25-2016, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

us.

**** you

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-25-2016, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman

Amen.

The one minor gripe I have with Dorsey is the penchant to draft a high ceiling, super athletic BROKEDICK.
Fisher almost turned into one.
Kelce missed a season.
DAT may be out of football.
Commings had a history.
Gaines had a history.

Lay off the brokedicks Dorsey!

Stupid

BlackOp · 01-25-2016, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

That being said though, I trust Dorsey's ability to find guys who can step in and at least play at a solid level.

I agree with this...If Dorsey keeps Smith/Howard..it's because he has his reasons. I personally think 6-3 press corners are harder to find...it's why KC has no quality depth at that particular position...but are stocked at safety/DL.

Word on the street is Oakland will pursue Smith...how much is it worth to keep him from a rival?

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01-20-2016, 08:49 PM
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $2867078	Jaye Howard or Sean Smith Which would you sign. For the sake of argument, let's assume the following contracts (without getting into the details too much): Sean Smith gets a 5 year, 52.5 million deal (10.5 per). First year cap hit is 6.6 m to fit cap constraints. Roughly on par with Byron Maxwell's deal (5th highest for a CB). Jaye Howard gets a 4 year, 36 million deal (9.0 per). First year cap hit is 6.6 m to fit cap constraints. Roughly on par with Derek Wolfe's and Jurrell Casey's deals (6th and 7th highest for 3-4 DE).
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01-24-2016, 04:54 PM	#181
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $2867078	How would you guys feel if the Chiefs let both Howard and Smith walk, and instead re-signed DeVito to something like 2 years, 5 million and another lesser tier free agent like Trumaine Johnson at 4 years, 26 million?
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01-24-2016, 06:15 PM	#186
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1789611	Howard has had ONE good year. one year does not get an elite contract. If he wants $8+m a year then he can go **** himself
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OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	Howard. He's a pretty big piece up front for us. Smith is a solid CB but he has too many weaknesses for me to want to pay top dollars to keep him (lacks quickness and ideal ball skills).
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01-24-2016, 11:26 PM	#189
OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	That being said though, I trust Dorsey's ability to find guys who can step in and at least play at a solid level.
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