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Eleazar · 01-12-2016, 06:31 PM

Yael T. Abouhalkah: C’mon, Chiefs fans, knock off the boorish tomahawk chop

BY YAEL T. ABOUHALKAH
abouhalkah@kcstar.com

Too many Kansas City Chiefs fans love to engage in the boorish and insulting tomahawk chop while celebrating before, during and after football games.

Here’s how this silly behavior looked Saturday prior to the Chiefs’ playoff victory against the Houston Texans.

It’s especially embarrassing that the chop is still popular as the nation’s sports fans focus this week on the Chiefs’ playoff game Saturday, when they visit the New England Patriots, the defending National Football League champions.

Now others around the country will just have more legitimate reasons to criticize Chiefs fans. As a USA Today writer aptly noted last week, “The Tomahawk chop is so much more offensive than a nickname as it’s active, not passive.”

Plenty of people have laid out the good reasons over the years for why many Native Americans don’t like the chop, mostly because it really has nothing to do with their history and is a “clear mockery of Indian culture.” The celebration gesture also is infamously used by fans of the Atlanta Braves and Florida State teams.

The Chiefs organization, to their discredit, have refused to actively campaign against the chop. Instead, they encourage it with the music played at Arrowhead Stadium, even as they have engaged with Indian groups on more perfunctory actions, such as blessing the Chiefs’ drum at the stadium.

Yes, this is an age-old debate in Kansas City. Some fans properly see the distasteful practice as something they won’t engage in; others defend it as just good fun.

(And please don’t get me started on the argument that “the Chiefs were named after former Mayor H. Roe Bartle’s nickname.” Team officials going back decades have used Native American signs, etc., to promote the club.)

Plenty of Americans are trying to get the Washington Redskins to change their highly offensive name. One day, they might just succeed.

It would show great progress for Kansas City sports fans to drop the silly tomahawk chop at Chiefs games.

Just don’t hold your breath that this kind of respectable action will be taken.

Yael T. Abouhalkah: 816-234-4887, abouhalkah@kcstar.com, @YaelTAbouhalkah

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/op...#storylink=cpy

Sully · 01-14-2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Not gonna argue any of this with you

Fantastic.

**Baby Lee** · 01-14-2016, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Fantastic.

So long as you concede the foundation of the moral authority you're trying to toss around is built on sand.

**petegz28** · 01-14-2016, 02:37 PM

Sully · 01-14-2016, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

So long as you concede the foundation of the moral authority you're trying to toss around is built on sand.

Is this you not arguing any of it with me? I can't tell.

**petegz28** · 01-14-2016, 02:39 PM

**petegz28** · 01-14-2016, 02:41 PM

**Baby Lee** · 01-14-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Is this you not arguing any of it with me? I can't tell.

Sure, just confirming status.

Sully · 01-14-2016, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Sure, just confirming status.

Ah.
I'm not sure what you think you've confirmed, but I'm glad you aren't arguing any of what I said, as it is true. But thanks for... whatever... you've done?

**Baby Lee** · 01-14-2016, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Ah.
I'm not sure what you think you've confirmed, but I'm glad you aren't arguing any of what I said, as it is true. But thanks for... whatever... you've done?

Is she paying you to bait me into discussing her with you? Is that what's going on?

That's a whole new level of obsession, 2 states worth of farmland might not be enough of a buffer after all.

Sully · 01-14-2016, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Is she paying you to bait me into discussing her with you? Is that what's going on?

That's a whole new level of obsession, 2 states worth of farmland might not be enough of a buffer after all.

"She" in this case meaning cosmo?

My remark wasn't specifically about cosmo. I have no particular care for cosmo, how he is treated, or how it began. I'm FOR SURE not baiting you into a discussion. And holy cow, BL, if you are ever wondering if I am trying to bait you into a conversation, and I haven't mentioned you by name or addressed you, be assured I'm not. I mean it... that's a bet you win every time.

**Baby Lee** · 01-14-2016, 03:01 PM

That's why I said you're out of your depth on the matter around here.

But by all means white knight whatever and wherever you wish. What you don't get is I'm actually trying to help you, and my opinion largely mirrors your own here, just not in this instance, and not for the reasons you think, of you've given any thought to your reasons at all.

Sully · 01-14-2016, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That's why I said you're out of your depth on the matter around here.

But by all means white knight whatever and wherever you wish. What you don't get is I'm actually trying to help you, and my opinion largely mirrors your own here, just not in this instance, and not for the reasons you think, of you've given any thought to your reasons at all.

Since you aren't specifically arguing anything, then I agree. As a non-mind reader, I am out of my depth in knowing what you are thinking.

**Donger** · 01-14-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

because females are not as good.

Not true. Females are much better than men at carrying children, talking, caring, doing laundry and giving blowjobs. Oh, and wrapping presents.

Sully · 01-14-2016, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Not true. Females are much better than men at carrying children, talking, caring, doing laundry and giving blowjobs.

I agree about all except talking. More doesn't equal better.

... and maybe blowjobs. Men could be better at those, but I'll never know.

**Donger** · 01-14-2016, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

I agree about all except talking. More doesn't equal better.

... and maybe blowjobs. Men could be better at those, but I'll never know.

Talking as in the shortened version of running their mouths.

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