NFL Draft My Humble Chiefs 2015 Draft Thoughts

Sully · 05-04-2015, 08:41 AM

I guess the most basic thing to ask is, Did we upgrade?" While i don't think that answer has been clear in the previous two drafts, I do believe in this draft we definitively improved at several positions, and set ourselves up for some great play over the next few seasons.

Round 1- Peters- This pick worries me. Getting kicked off a team is a huge deal, especially when you are as talented as this guy. The coaches must've felt that they had to send a message, and that his behavior was bad enough to lose his stellar play. The question that can't be answered for a while is, 'Was it a wake-up call?" I hope so. But is it an upgrade? Absolutely. Peters may be, within a season, the best CB on the roster.

Round 2- Morse- Yeah... Lot's of teeth gnashing and ripping of clothes over this one. Yes, it was a reach (kind of). Yes, it's not at a position that's sexy. But, again, was it an upgrade? Without question. The Chiefs' line needs improvement. We are staring down the barrel of starting a center who was a late round pick, and who didn't see the field last year. Could he be great? Absolutely. (And I don't think the Morse pick is as much of an indictment on Kush as others). I think that the pick was the confluence of a few things. The Chiefs obviously like Morse. Given. But they wanted someone who could play Center if Kush sucks, but also play another position at a high level if Kush won the job, as well. Once they chose Peters over Ervin, this was pretty much the pick they needed to make. I also think Morse is pretty good. So regardless of where he plays, it's an upgrade (we were that bad).

Round 3- Conley- OK, I wanted this kid. For the first time in my life, I yelled and got excited about a damn 3rd round pick. It's ridiculous. But I love Conley. I think he is perfect for what we do (with a few tweaks), and will be one of the top 2 or 3 receivers from this draft as we look back on it. Am I delusional? Abso-****ing-lutely. Never make a statement like that about a 3rd round pick three days after the draft... idiot. However, I love this guys brain, his passion, and his ****ing speed. Is he an upgrade over Bowe? You bet your ass he is. He's going to open up our offense to allow us to do more things. Let me rant for a minute. Over the past few years, Bowe did a few things, but really what he was "best" at was catching a quick slant in tight coverage. Balls snapped, quick slant, 4-6 yards. Extended handoff as they say. But the thing is, why was the coverage always that tight? because Bowe was ****ing slow. He's not going to beat anyone off the line. Even if he gets to a CB's back hip, there's plenty of time for the back to recover. I'd like to see the Chiefs runa few of these slants to Conley. Let's see him turn one into a 20-30 yard gain, because he beat his man and the safety had to come up. Let's see them slant-go his ass, and burn someone for 60. I think he'll work out just fine. (Again, i admit I'm delusional.)

Round 3- Nelson- In the "is this an upgrade" question, I'm not sure. Is this guy better than Gaines? Is he better than Cooper? I don't know. I actually like those two guys, so I don't know.

Round 4- Wilson- The problem highlighted in the online scouting reports is the same problem I have when I watch the (admittedly limited) vids on youtube. He seems to stick to blocks. I love the speed, but unless he learns to scrape and find run throughs a little better, he's gonna have a tough time. I talked to a buddy of mine who graduated from UGA, and who is die hard, and he loves Wilson, but admitted, he isn't gong to play much behind the line of scrimmage. That said, do you all remember that up until Haley got here, DJ was thought of as sort of a bust? The biggest thing he learned that turned him from average to great, was how to shoot through windows. previously, DJ would run around trash to get to the PoA, and that would take away his angle, and give up yards. Suddenly, it was striking how he could shoot through an open window, and use his speed and athleticism to cut off a runner's angle. If Wilson can be taught that, he could be a beat. it's a simple tech, he just has to be open to the coaching.

However,

Round 5- Alexander- Seems to do a better job of finding those windows and using his speed. He should also be amazing on Special teams. Overall, the two ILBs will be an upgrade above a slow Mauga, and possibly hobbled DJ. It just may not be as immediate as above players.

ROund 5- O'Shaughnessy- I've watched one YouTube, and read one report, but I'm sold. For a #2 backup, he's more athletic and/or accomplished than anyone else we have, and even Fasano. Can he block? Apparently.

Round 6- Nunez-Rochez- Not impressed. Seems to have good burst through gaps, so maybe a passing sub, but I don't know that he'll be much more than that. If he's used to spell Poe, it's an upgrade. If not... meh.

Round 7- DaRon Brown- Can he cover kicks? That's all that matters.

I'm very happy with this draft. I think we upgraded a ton at several positions. I'm excited to see these guys moving forward, as I think we have got a great core to help the team now, and build around in the future.

Reerun_KC · 05-04-2015, 08:45 AM

LOL

You don't like the CB pick but gush over a panic reach in the 2nd round...

Yeah stopped reading there...

Sully · 05-04-2015, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

LOL

You don't like the CB pick but gush over a panic reach in the 2nd round...

Yeah stopped reading there...

I didn't say i didn't like it (although initially I didn't), I said it worries me. It should worry anyone.

That said, I don't think Morse was a "panic" pick. I think he was a good player that fit a need that the Chiefs didn't think would be around for their next pick.

Reerun_KC · 05-04-2015, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sully

I didn't say i didn't like it (although initially I didn't), I said it worries me. It should worry anyone.

That said, I don't think Morse was a "panic" pick. I think he was a good player that fit a need that the Chiefs didn't think would be around for their next pick.

It doesn't worry me. This team needs a ****ing attitude... Period.... Its a soft ****ing team full of soft ****ing players. Our LT should be mean and nasty and ours is a duffle bag full of chewed bubble gum.

Morse would of been there, many here have said he was projected to be a 4th or 5th round pick.

**buddha** · 05-04-2015, 08:56 AM

I can't wait for Morse to turn into a 10 year starter just to stick it down Reerun's throat.

Sully's assessments are really good, IMO. Or maybe I think they're good because I agree with them. Either way, great post.

L.A. Chieffan · 05-04-2015, 09:03 AM

Why was it a "panic pick"? You're telling me all they cared about was Perryman and had absolutely no other options and were taken completely by surprise in the 2nd freaking round? Gimme a break.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-04-2015, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

LOL

You don't like the CB pick but gush over a panic reach in the 2nd round...

Yeah stopped reading there...

"Panic reach" CPbullshit hyperbole at it's finest. DRAFT A BEAKER!!!

Reerun_KC · 05-04-2015, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

"Panic reach" CPbullshit hyperbole at it's finest. DRAFT A BEAKER!!!

**** drafting shitty Kansas players... What the **** kind of moron are you anyway?

Please post where I said draft a Kansas player... I aint ****ing as stupid as you portray yourself here....

Reerun_KC · 05-04-2015, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by buddha

I can't wait for Morse to turn into a 10 year starter just to stick it down Reerun's throat.

Sully's assessments are really good, IMO. Or maybe I think they're good because I agree with them. Either way, great post.

Never said don't draft the guy... There was no need to reach for him in round 2.

Learn to read.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-04-2015, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

**** drafting shitty Kansas players... What the **** kind of moron are you anyway?

Please post where I said draft a Kansas player... I aint ****ing as stupid as you portray yourself here....

So you came to your conclusion by either A. Watching hours of YouTube highlights or B. Stealing a thought from someone who watched hours of Youtube highlights. How do you know it was a reach?

Reerun_KC · 05-04-2015, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

So you came to your conclusion by either A. Watching YouTube highlights or B. Stealing a thought from someone who watched Youtube highlights.

I don't have access to the game tape like you do...

So what Kansas player would you of drafted in the 2nd round? I am dying to hear this response...

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-04-2015, 09:13 AM

So you have no basis on why he's a "panic reach" just as I thought.

Reerun_KC · 05-04-2015, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

So you have no basis on why he's a "panic reach" just as I thought.

I have plenty, you just chose to deflect and ignore. Nothing new here...

Dark Horse · 05-04-2015, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

It doesn't worry me. This team needs a ****ing attitude... Period.... Its a soft ****ing team full of soft ****ing players. Our LT should be mean and nasty and ours is a duffle bag full of chewed bubble gum.

Morse would of been there, many here have said he was projected to be a 4th or 5th round pick.

Just stop with the "he would of been a 4th or 5th" talk. Do you know what determines a players draft position? At least one team has to think he's worth the pick. One did.
Whether he was a good pick or not remains to be seen but this one thing I guarantee, no one on this site knows enough about evaluating talent to know the answer to that. Hell even the Nfl teams can't tell you that for sure.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-04-2015, 09:18 AM

Alright, so I expect a nice break down of strengths/weaknesses (not copy pasted) and a list of players you personally evaluated as worthy of selection and why.

05-04-2015, 08:41 AM
Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	My Humble Chiefs 2015 Draft Thoughts I guess the most basic thing to ask is, Did we upgrade?" While i don't think that answer has been clear in the previous two drafts, I do believe in this draft we definitively improved at several positions, and set ourselves up for some great play over the next few seasons. Round 1- Peters- This pick worries me. Getting kicked off a team is a huge deal, especially when you are as talented as this guy. The coaches must've felt that they had to send a message, and that his behavior was bad enough to lose his stellar play. The question that can't be answered for a while is, 'Was it a wake-up call?" I hope so. But is it an upgrade? Absolutely. Peters may be, within a season, the best CB on the roster. Round 2- Morse- Yeah... Lot's of teeth gnashing and ripping of clothes over this one. Yes, it was a reach (kind of). Yes, it's not at a position that's sexy. But, again, was it an upgrade? Without question. The Chiefs' line needs improvement. We are staring down the barrel of starting a center who was a late round pick, and who didn't see the field last year. Could he be great? Absolutely. (And I don't think the Morse pick is as much of an indictment on Kush as others). I think that the pick was the confluence of a few things. The Chiefs obviously like Morse. Given. But they wanted someone who could play Center if Kush sucks, but also play another position at a high level if Kush won the job, as well. Once they chose Peters over Ervin, this was pretty much the pick they needed to make. I also think Morse is pretty good. So regardless of where he plays, it's an upgrade (we were that bad). Round 3- Conley- OK, I wanted this kid. For the first time in my life, I yelled and got excited about a damn 3rd round pick. It's ridiculous. But I love Conley. I think he is perfect for what we do (with a few tweaks), and will be one of the top 2 or 3 receivers from this draft as we look back on it. Am I delusional? Abso-**ing-lutely. Never make a statement like that about a 3rd round pick three days after the draft... idiot. However, I love this guys brain, his passion, and his ing speed. Is he an upgrade over Bowe? You bet your ass he is. He's going to open up our offense to allow us to do more things. Let me rant for a minute. Over the past few years, Bowe did a few things, but really what he was "best" at was catching a quick slant in tight coverage. Balls snapped, quick slant, 4-6 yards. Extended handoff as they say. But the thing is, why was the coverage always that tight? because Bowe was **ing slow. He's not going to beat anyone off the line. Even if he gets to a CB's back hip, there's plenty of time for the back to recover. I'd like to see the Chiefs runa few of these slants to Conley. Let's see him turn one into a 20-30 yard gain, because he beat his man and the safety had to come up. Let's see them slant-go his ass, and burn someone for 60. I think he'll work out just fine. (Again, i admit I'm delusional.) Round 3- Nelson- In the "is this an upgrade" question, I'm not sure. Is this guy better than Gaines? Is he better than Cooper? I don't know. I actually like those two guys, so I don't know. Round 4- Wilson- The problem highlighted in the online scouting reports is the same problem I have when I watch the (admittedly limited) vids on youtube. He seems to stick to blocks. I love the speed, but unless he learns to scrape and find run throughs a little better, he's gonna have a tough time. I talked to a buddy of mine who graduated from UGA, and who is die hard, and he loves Wilson, but admitted, he isn't gong to play much behind the line of scrimmage. That said, do you all remember that up until Haley got here, DJ was thought of as sort of a bust? The biggest thing he learned that turned him from average to great, was how to shoot through windows. previously, DJ would run around trash to get to the PoA, and that would take away his angle, and give up yards. Suddenly, it was striking how he could shoot through an open window, and use his speed and athleticism to cut off a runner's angle. If Wilson can be taught that, he could be a beat. it's a simple tech, he just has to be open to the coaching. However, Round 5- Alexander- Seems to do a better job of finding those windows and using his speed. He should also be amazing on Special teams. Overall, the two ILBs will be an upgrade above a slow Mauga, and possibly hobbled DJ. It just may not be as immediate as above players. ROund 5- O'Shaughnessy- I've watched one YouTube, and read one report, but I'm sold. For a #2 backup, he's more athletic and/or accomplished than anyone else we have, and even Fasano. Can he block? Apparently. Round 6- Nunez-Rochez- Not impressed. Seems to have good burst through gaps, so maybe a passing sub, but I don't know that he'll be much more than that. If he's used to spell Poe, it's an upgrade. If not... meh. Round 7- DaRon Brown- Can he cover kicks? That's all that matters. I'm very happy with this draft. I think we upgraded a ton at several positions. I'm excited to see these guys moving forward, as I think we have got a great core to help the team now, and build around in the future.
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05-04-2015, 08:56 AM	#5
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	I can't wait for Morse to turn into a 10 year starter just to stick it down Reerun's throat. Sully's assessments are really good, IMO. Or maybe I think they're good because I agree with them. Either way, great post.
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05-04-2015, 09:03 AM	#6
L.A. Chieffan PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: American Gardens Building Casino cash: $3958654	Why was it a "panic pick"? You're telling me all they cared about was Perryman and had absolutely no other options and were taken completely by surprise in the 2nd freaking round? Gimme a break.
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05-04-2015, 09:13 AM	#12
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3698880	So you have no basis on why he's a "panic reach" just as I thought. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3698880	Alright, so I expect a nice break down of strengths/weaknesses (not copy pasted) and a list of players you personally evaluated as worthy of selection and why. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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05-04-2015, 08:45 AM	#2
Reerun_KC Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $8301160	LOL You don't like the CB pick but gush over a panic reach in the 2nd round... Yeah stopped reading there...
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