Football NFL Owners Meeting: Rules Changes - Page 3

Amnorix · 07:18 AM

So as I understand it, so far the NFL owners have decided the following:

1. rejected the "everything is reviewable" on replay suggestion.

2. adopted a rule change (suggested by Miami) eliminating peel back blocks. Such a block (then legal) resulted in the Texans' Cushing getting his ACL torn. Now it's a 15 yard penalty.

3. adopted a rule allowing an NFL official in a booth to stop action on the field and communicate with an official to remove a player who is exhibiting a medical concern such as concussion symptoms.

4. tabled for review/analysis a proposal to install cameras along sidelines and the goal line to improve angles for replay reviews. The NFL has cited cost as a major concern to adopting this proposal. As Belichick said last year "maybe we could have a car wash. Or a bake sale."

5. Made a slight tweak to the rules regarding completing a catch.

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Ever since an apparent Calvin Johnson touchdown was ruled an incomplete pass in 2010, there has been confusion about what constitutes a catch. At the time, the NFL upheld its interpretation that a receiver must not only complete the catch, but he must also make a football move afterward while still in possession of the football. On Monday, the competition committee changed the language to say a pass-catcher needs establish himself as a runner after gaining possession of the ball. Dean Blandino, the NFL's supervisor of officials, believes this language change will clear up the confusion.

6. Players are now prohibited from pushing teammates in connection with trying to block a punt.

7. Defenseless receivers are now protected as such immediately following an interception. My assumption on this is that under the old rule, if the ball was intercepted, someone else could "block" receivers into oblivion. No more.

**Rausch** · 03-25-2015, 12:32 AM

So imagine an NFC title game.

There's a pass thrown...the WR makes an incredible catch...then he's POUNDED by a defender.

He's slow to get up.

Mostly because getting pounded by NFL defenders HURTS. A LOT.

Is that player now taken from the field and ruled out of play for...how long?

Red Dawg · 03-25-2015, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

Do they still allow teams that deflate balls and cheat to win the league championship?

Or did they address that

Of course not. Once again Pats bullshit has to be swept under the rug to save the league from doing serious punishment.

Amnorix · 03-25-2015, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

I was really hoping they'd look at the idiotic "Guy can have complete possession of the ball, stumble for 8 steps, roll on the ground, then bobble it a little getting up off the ground and it's not a catch. Or maybe it is. Sometimes. But not in the playoffs." rule.

They looked at it and made a very minor change, but it doesn't really affect anything. Instead of "a football move", nwo they say "established himself as a runner".

The problem with changing the rule is that if you make it too "easy" to complete a catch, then defenders will kill shot receivers half a second after their feet hit the ground, and then it's a FUMBLE.

Unless you want to see a dramatic spike in fumbles that weren't fumbles before, there is no way to "fix" the catch rule.

Amnorix · 03-25-2015, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Lahey

Jesus Christ.

Belichick's comment on this last year, when the NFL bitched about the same thing:

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"Maybe we could have a bake sale, raise some money for the cameras," he said, per Ben Volin of The Boston Globe. "We could do a car wash."

Amnorix · 03-25-2015, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Of course not. Once again Pats bullshit has to be swept under the rug to save the league from doing serious punishment.

The Wells Report isn't out yet. Presumably sometime between now and the draft.

The entire situation is a complete joke. The only reason you think the Patriots did something wrong is because you hate them. There is no evidence of anything at all, and the multiple leaks that were then walked-back makes it impossible to rely on anything until the report comes out, which hopefully will clear up what really did happen.

The real bottom line here is that if the NFL wants to ensure that balls are at 12.5-13.5 PSI at all times, they need to do a much better job of managing how that is done. Testing them 2 hours before game-time and then ignoring atmospheric effects is ridiculous.

Mr. Laz · 03-25-2015, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

They looked at it and made a very minor change, but it doesn't really affect anything. Instead of "a football move", nwo they say "established himself as a runner".

The problem with changing the rule is that if you make it too "easy" to complete a catch, then defenders will kill shot receivers half a second after their feet hit the ground, and then it's a FUMBLE.

Unless you want to see a dramatic spike in fumbles that weren't fumbles before, there is no way to "fix" the catch rule.

it's really not that hard to understand

Having the refs determine when a player actually possess a ball was just too difficult to determine, even with replay. Did the ball stop? Did the ball stop long enough? Did the ball start moving again?

So they switched the parameters of a catch to something that is more concrete to judge.

A receiver must maintain possession of the ball through ground contact unless he has clearly become a runner, then it's a fumble.

2 hands on the ball ... toe-tapping ... ball moving, none of that means a dam thing anymore.

If the player clearly a ball carrier? Yes, fumble. No, must maintain possession through ground contact.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-25-2015, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

So imagine an NFC title game.

There's a pass thrown...the WR makes an incredible catch...then he's POUNDED by a defender.

He's slow to get up.

Mostly because getting pounded by NFL defenders HURTS. A LOT.

Is that player now taken from the field and ruled out of play for...how long?

I wrote this in another thread. The NFL needs to just bite the bullet and stop with all this petty minor bullshit about head injuries. Admit they made some mistakes and quit the denial game, pay out any damages (it will be a lot, but they have plenty of money), and then implement real shit to improve the safety issue. This shit is all window dressing and little by little, it is destroying the integrity of the game, especially if it gives teams added ability to stop play.

With a clean slate, FINALLY start to address real equipment changes and ask players to accept the risk of playing this sport. This is basically delaying the inevitable.

Mr. Laz · 03-25-2015, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I wrote this in another thread. The NFL needs to just bite the bullet and stop with all this petty minor bullshit about head injuries. Admit they made some mistakes and quit the denial game, pay out any damages (it will be a lot, but they have plenty of money), and then implement real shit to improve the safety issue. This shit is all window dressing and little by little, it is destroying the integrity of the game, especially if it gives teams added ability to stop play.

With a clean slate, FINALLY start to address real equipment changes and ask players to accept the risk of playing this sport. This is basically delaying the inevitable.

they already did pay damages in billions

It took the players about a month to decide they wanted more. It also didn't stop another group of players from lining up to the money train and decide they wanted some too.

it will never stop ......... ever

Players will continue to say "we know it's dangerous, just let us play" "I'm only dinged up, put me back in coach" during their careers.

As soon as they careers are over they say "omg, i'm ****ed up ... i'm going to sue"

This is the same idiotic country who had a woman win a lawsuit because the hot coffee she order was TOO hot.

the lawsuits will never stop ... the players will never stop trying to double dip.

The NFL can only try to lessen the injuries so that the lawsuits are less costly.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-25-2015, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

they already did pay damages in billions

It took the players about a month to decide they wanted more. It also didn't stop another group of players from lining up to the money train and decide they wanted some too.

it will never stop ......... ever

Players will continue to say "we know it's dangerous, just let us play" "I'm only dinged up, put me back in coach" during their careers.

As soon as they careers are over they say "omg, i'm ****ed up ... i'm going to sue"

This is the same idiotic country who had a woman win a lawsuit because the hot coffee she order was TOO hot.

the lawsuits will never stop ... the players will never stop trying to double dip.

The NFL can only try to lessen the injuries so that the lawsuits are less costly.

The NFL threw money at the problem then continued with several disingenuous initiatives to fix the problem, then continue their Web of denial and spin.

They won't mandate mouthpiece usage because that would be admitting they made a mistake not to mandate it years ago. I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe they will change equipment so players stop treating their helmets like missiles. The nfls approach the last couple of years is shiny object stuff. None of the stuff really solves the problem, but it makes it look like they're trying. I'd rather they drum up big solutions even if that admits to fault then continue to think we are naive enough to think these small things are showing the league is serious about fixing the problem.

The NFL likes to wait until the last minute to react. That has to change. Especially an issue like this that has long term recruiting implications.

Hootie · 03-25-2015, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Belichick's comment on this last year, when the NFL bitched about the same thing:

that's pretty funny

...I think they should just use all of that veteran cash they made from the veteran's combine

Hootie · 03-25-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

they already did pay damages in billions

It took the players about a month to decide they wanted more. It also didn't stop another group of players from lining up to the money train and decide they wanted some too.

it will never stop ......... ever

Players will continue to say "we know it's dangerous, just let us play" "I'm only dinged up, put me back in coach" during their careers.

As soon as they careers are over they say "omg, i'm ****ed up ... i'm going to sue"

This is the same idiotic country who had a woman win a lawsuit because the hot coffee she order was TOO hot.

the lawsuits will never stop ... the players will never stop trying to double dip.

The NFL can only try to lessen the injuries so that the lawsuits are less costly.

uhm, incorrect

the judge looked at the plea and denied it ... citing it was ridiculous and that it was no way enough money.

Hootie · 03-25-2015, 09:46 AM

it's pretty easy what the NFL needs to do ...

they need to bargain the next CBA, give the players more money and more of what they "want" (like health insurance for the rest of their lives), and in return the players HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER TO PLAY IN THE NFL THAT STATES THE NFL WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY SHORT/LONG TERM HEALTH PROBLEMS CAUSED BY CONCUSSIONS OR OTHER HEAD TRAUMA.

Don't like it? I agree. Don't play in the NFL.

It's really that simple.

Give the players more $$$ and lifetime health insurance, in return, they have to sign THE waiver.

**alnorth** · 03-25-2015, 09:48 AM

The Washington Post is reporting that the owners are going to debate changes to the extra point in their meeting scheduled in May. Don't know if any particular PAT proposal has the supermajority needed yet. There apparently is agreement that some kind of change is needed, but they haven't figured out what they want to do.

Hootie · 03-25-2015, 09:56 AM

would anyone really be that upset if they just scrapped the extra point and forced every team to go for two? The ONLY thing that would effect would be overtime. There would be less overtimes. But, it would also be a nice little boost for fantasy since every two point try would equate to more fantasy points (which I know the NFL loves).

I think it would be awesome.

Hell, I wish they'd also make field goals tougher like they did in the Pro Bowl, too. Hell, FG% is way over 80% the last few years. I hate field goals. I want to see FG% around 65-70%. I'd love to see teams stop kicking field goals. The kicker in football is the WORST.

**Baby Lee** · 03-25-2015, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Belichick's comment on this last year, when the NFL bitched about the same thing:

Wouldn't be surprised if the article was quoting him FROM last year.

03-25-2015, 09:46 AM	#42
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	it's pretty easy what the NFL needs to do ... they need to bargain the next CBA, give the players more money and more of what they "want" (like health insurance for the rest of their lives), and in return the players HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER TO PLAY IN THE NFL THAT STATES THE NFL WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY SHORT/LONG TERM HEALTH PROBLEMS CAUSED BY CONCUSSIONS OR OTHER HEAD TRAUMA. Don't like it? I agree. Don't play in the NFL. It's really that simple. Give the players more $$$ and lifetime health insurance, in return, they have to sign THE waiver.
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03-25-2015, 09:48 AM	#43
alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57166239	The Washington Post is reporting that the owners are going to debate changes to the extra point in their meeting scheduled in May. Don't know if any particular PAT proposal has the supermajority needed yet. There apparently is agreement that some kind of change is needed, but they haven't figured out what they want to do. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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03-25-2015, 09:56 AM	#44
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	would anyone really be that upset if they just scrapped the extra point and forced every team to go for two? The ONLY thing that would effect would be overtime. There would be less overtimes. But, it would also be a nice little boost for fantasy since every two point try would equate to more fantasy points (which I know the NFL loves). I think it would be awesome. Hell, I wish they'd also make field goals tougher like they did in the Pro Bowl, too. Hell, FG% is way over 80% the last few years. I hate field goals. I want to see FG% around 65-70%. I'd love to see teams stop kicking field goals. The kicker in football is the WORST.
Posts: 56,356