****The Official NEW (new)^4 conference realignment & shit talk thread****

[Pitt Gorilla]

Saul is BACK!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

So admit you were wrong that the network would be a failure then. Since u are throwing stones and all...

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by kchero

You were the one who presented the question.

Everyone on this board calls the Big 12 a failure yet they brought in record revenue this year.

Is money the only definition of success for you? Then great, the SEC and Big 12 are successes.

I'm talking about people watching the network. Which there are none.

thus, failure as predicted.

No one cares about Miss St, Vandy, Missouri, Arkansas, etc...

Sure Alabama, Florida, LSU, Auburn and Florida are awesome but the rest of them?

yeeesh

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by kchero

You were the one who presented the question.

And he didn't even answer my question he is replying to.

Pathetic.

[kchero]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Was Clay Travis wrong?

A. No, startup costs can't be expected
B. No, he could possibly be proved right at a later date
C. No, he's irrelevant even if he said something wrong
D. Yes

I still don't know why you brought me up when comparing me with what Clay Travis said...I confronted you about it and you deflected, which is the norm for you.

Nonetheless, since Clay is on your mind (among all things Mizzou of course) and you are the one who keeps bringing him up, I took the liberty to look up an article from Clay where he mentions the launch of the SEC Network to see what you keep talking about....mind you this article is from July/2014 and since then DirectTV and every major cable provider has the SEC Network.

Pay attention to the bold part, he states that due to start-up costs his projections are based on year 3.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...ressive-073014

The SEC Network will be a tremendous success at launch, being available in right at 75 million homes. That will equal ESPN and the SEC's stated goal for a nationally distributed channel. It will also make the SEC Network the most successful sports television launch in cable and satellite TV history. While DirecTV hasn't yet officially announced that it will carry the network, they reached out to Outkick two weeks ago to let everyone know that they planned to carry the channel. Already there have been official announcements from Dish Network, AT&T Uverse, Comcast, Time Warner, GoogleFiber, and Cox. The only real drama will come in whether DirecTV has it at the official launch or it takes a couple of weeks after launch. Regardless, it's a very good bet that DirecTV will have the SEC Network rolled out by August 28th for the first games.
Ultimately, rest easy SEC fans, every single cable and satellite operator in the South will carry the SEC Network. That's a testament to two things: 1. SEC fan demand for the channel was extraordinary and 2. ESPN and the SEC executed a flawless roll out strategy that took advantage of that fan demand and translated it into tangible results. The SEC Network's launch literally could not have gone any better. Now that the network's national distribution is assured -- no small feat considering that still hasn't happened with the Big Ten and Pac 12 Network -- the revenue that the SEC Network will produce is extraordinary.

Last week I wrote about the size of the SEC Network in relation to other sports media channel. At launch the SEC Network will be the fifth largest sports channel in the country.
1. ESPN: 97 million households $7 billion
2. NFL Network: 72 million households $1.05 billion
3. ESPN2: 97 million households $861.4 million
4. FS1: 88 million households $718.8 million
5. SEC Network: 75 million households $611 million*
6. NBC Sports Network: 80 million households $259.2 million
7. Pac 12 Network: 26 million households $249.6 million
8. Big Ten Network: 52 million households $237.1 million
9. ESPN News: 75 million households $207 million
10. NBATV: 60 million households $194.4 million
11. ESPNU: 75 million households $189 million
12. CBS Sports Network: 53 million households $159 million
13. ESPN Classic: 31 million households $78.1 million
*The SEC's revenue is based on a $1.40 per subscriber average monthly cost in the 28 million cable and satellite subscriptions in the 11 state SEC footprint and .25 cents per month in the remaining 47 million households. Last week I told you that I would break down what these revenue streams would look like for individual SEC schools.
So let's do that now.
This past year the SEC distributed $20.7 million to each school. That's TV money from ESPN and CBS under the league's existing TV contracts. That money will continue to grow going forward, but it be a more measured growth, around a million or two a year. The rapid growth in TV money will come from the SEC Network.
So what will the SEC Network money look like? Well, let's start with a couple of caveats: 1. There will be costs associated with running a network. The Pac 12 Network cost around $100 million to run. So we'll have to pull those costs out of the revenue. 2. Costs to buy-out local media contracts have to be factored in over the first couple of years. So I'm not going to project first or second year SEC Network revenue, I'm going to focus on third year and beyond. So all of these numbers are for the third year and beyond.
Having said that, let's dive in. Sports Business Journal has reported two different rate sheets for the in-state subscriber costs -- one was $1.30 a month and the other, the most recent deal with Comcast, was $1.40 per month. Let's be conservative and say that the rate will average $1.30 a month in the SEC states. Multiplying that rate times the 28 million cable and satellite subscribers in the 11 SEC states yields us $436.8 million. The reported rate for non-SEC states has held pretty consistent at .25 per month, or $3 a year. That's 47 million additional households and adds up to $141 million. This gives us total subscriber revenue of $577.8 million. (The difference from the bolded number above is based on lowering the average subscriber rate in the SEC from $1.40 to $1.30).
Then let's get into advertising. I've been using the existing ESPN model to forecast ad sales for the SEC Network. (ESPN gets about 25% of its revenue from ad sales). But let's say that hoping for a similar percentage for the SEC Network is too optimistic since this is a regional network that's just starting out and doesn't have guaranteed ratings or sales infrastructure in place. So let's cut that percentage in half and say the SEC Network will only do $72 million in ad sales. That gets us to an easy number, $650 million in total revenue. Then we have to subtract $100 million in costs -- the same number as the Pac 12 Network recently did -- and we're left with $550 million to split between ESPN and the SEC.
The official split between the conference and ESPN isn't public, but I've been told by several people on both sides of the deal that 50/50 is pretty accurate. Using that as a template then the SEC would receive $275 million. Dividing that between the 14 member schools leaves us right at $19.6 million per school. This means that combined with the existing money coming in from ESPN and CBS, every SEC school will be bringing in a whopping $40 million or more in TV revenue by the third year of the SEC Network. That's roughly double what the league schools receive right now and $15 million more per school than any conference received in 2013.
Putting that TV money into perspective, $40 million in revenue would have made you the 62st largest athletic department in the country last year. Using Mississippi State as an example, the SEC Network money that Outkick projects the Bulldogs will land in three years, would take State, the lowest revenue producing school in the SEC, from the 49th largest athletic program in the country to around the 30th largest. For schools like Alabama and Florida, already among the top revenue schools in the country, the SEC Network money will allow them to challenge Texas for the title of largest athletic department in the country. Remember when the Longhorn Network seemed like a big deal? Every SEC school will make more money off the SEC Network than Texas does off the Longhorn Network.
Put simply, the SEC Network is one of the biggest game changers in the history of college athletics. And most still haven't recognized this fact yet. The SEC Network's impact is going to be monumental.

[kchero]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Everyone on this board calls the Big 12 a failure yet they brought in record revenue this year.

Is money the only definition of success for you? Then great, the SEC and Big 12 are successes.

I'm talking about people watching the network. Which there are none.

thus, failure as predicted.

No one cares about Miss St, Vandy, Missouri, Arkansas, etc...

Sure Alabama, Florida, LSU, Auburn and Florida are awesome but the rest of them?

yeeesh

Weak,

I love how you randomly say nobody cares about X,Y,and Z programs and thus the network is a failure. Nice logic to support your no numbers logic from earlier....I suppose by that logic the BIG network is a failure because nobody cares about Northwestern, Purdue, or Maryland.

Nice try.

[kchero]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

And he didn't even answer my question he is replying to.

Pathetic.

I have a feeling I will have to keep waiting for that one.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Hero with the killshot

[Prison Bitch]

Clay said the SECN would bring in over $600m this year ($43/per). Yet you ended up with only $5 per. Either the startup and distribution fees ate up almost everything, or his prediction isn't even close.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec...nue-at-launch/

It's pretty obvious what's more likely.

[Saul Good]

6,120,000 people watched Mizzou win their bowl game. What's the most watched basketball game this year so far?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

6,120,000 people watched Mizzou win their bowl game. What's the most watched basketball game this year so far?

I imagine the whole nation saw the great injustice that happened at the Octagon. A Beaker got nudged and Bill was uncomfortable for....seconds. The entire nation weeps for Ku.

[Bowser]

Do you think all this hubbub Bitch is going on about soothes the pain of losing to K-State the other night for him? I'm genuinely curious.

He's pretty consistent - whenever KU loses he trolls Mizzou pretty hard. Harder than usual, anyway.

[kchero]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Clay said the SECN would bring in over $600m this year ($43/per). Yet you ended up with only $5 per. Either the startup and distribution fees ate up almost everything, or his prediction isn't even close.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec...nue-at-launch/

It's pretty obvious what's more likely.

Deflecting again I see, whats new... It is going to be fun referencing this in the upcoming years regarding the SEC payouts, but with all the BS you shovel in here it will probably get lost in the mix.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by kchero

Deflecting again I see, whats new... It is going to be fun referencing this in the upcoming years regarding the SEC payouts, but with all the BS you shovel in here it will probably get lost in the mix.

So it's way wrong today, but could possibly be right some time down the road. Ah, the Hootie double-down at its finest.

[kchero]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So it's way wrong today, but could possibly be right some time down the road. Ah, the Hootie double-down at its finest.

Your the one with Clay on your mind. I called you out on it and you disappeared as usual. The article I then referenced to counter your BS showed you were once again wrong and shown to be a liar...but hey thats why nobody takes you seriously.

[Pitt Gorilla]

SEC East's Power: No More Waiting, Missouri Is a National Program

By Dan Irwin , Correspondent Feb 25, 2015

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...is_shared=true

It's the team that Vegas doesn't know what to do with. Missouri isn't favored to win in nearly every game it plays but somehow has pulled off top recruits and 23 wins over the last two seasons, a number eclipsed only by Alabama. It simply keeps finding a way to defy the odds.

Georgia fans are beside themselves after seeing this Tiger team from the north essentially dance into the SEC and have incredible success. Head coach Gary Pinkel has excelled at the most important part of his job—winning—and looked really good while doing so.

Recruiting has been the name of the game. In three years, Missouri has landed commitments from the nation’s No. 1 overall recruit in 2013 by Rivals in Dorial Green-Beckham and the No. 2 overall player in 2015 by ESPN in Terry Beckner Jr. In addition, it's entirely possible that Pinkel has had classes that may have previously been overlooked.

Reinforcing this, a new re-ranking of the 2012 signing class by Andy Staples of Sports Illustrated, Mizzou skyrocketed from the No. 31 ranked class (as originally ranked by Rivals) to No. 5 in the country. It shows that everything Pinkel and his staff are doing is an absolute model of how to win. Being "MizzouMade" is beginning to stand out.

But how do you measure the power of a program? A year of success can excite fans and alumni but isn't the measuring stick of greatness. It's consistently pulling off the things that are related to your job, which Pinkel might as well have a Ph.D. in.

Pinkel was shown a solo award for his talent in December when—a year after becoming the school's all-time winningest coach—he was named SEC Coach of the Year. Having won this award previously in the Big 12 Conference, it puts Pinkel in a rare category of coaches who have won the award in two different leagues during their peak in college football.

The awards are products of what Pinkel’s teams have shown on the field in those seasons. In fact, since his previous award, Pinkel’s Tigers squads have won an impressive 75 games, making them a top-five team in that category.

Missouri’s success isn’t limited to being on the field. They stand as the leader in academics in the SEC and are among the best in the nation. In 2013, Pinkel received a letter from NCAA President Mark Emmert, acknowledging the University’s success as a whole. More recently, last year Missouri was tied for the No. 1 spot in the SEC with relation to football academic-progress-rate scores.

But to see the total success of the program, simply take a look to the NFL. Mizzou players are going into the NFL in numbers and are having such success. That is like any group of trained professionals that reflects strongly on their training institution.

A total of 20 former Missouri players are currently on NFL rosters. Much was being made of the Tigers going into last season being “down” at wide receiver. When everything is said and done following the 2015 NFL draft and free-agency pickups, this “down” bunch may have three names in Bud Sasser, Jimmie Hunt and Darius White all playing on Sundays.

Missouri hasn't been able to beat Alabama or Auburn in the title games they've played, but it certainly competed well in both games. With all criteria on its resume, the change in culture and the lockdown of local recruiting, it's time that we start calling Missouri what it has shown to be by the fruits of its labor: a national team.

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