A Head Coach Botches the Super Bowl, and it wasn't Pete Carrol

[Hootie]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...-pete-carroll/

[Hootie]

That's either a slant or an in...either way, still stupid.

[Hootie]

pretty much the same dipshit play Seattle tried to run...

Just goes to show you how many strange/stupid things can happen on that playcall...

and in the Super Bowl when you have the best running team in the NFL against a team not so good in that situation?!

Yeah. Amazing play call, that was.

(Worst play call in the history of the NFL, and it's not debatable.)

A pass is fine. That pass is not.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I keep hearing this talk about them not being able to run the ball three times in 26 seconds. A running play of less than a yard takes 4 seconds tops. Timeout is called with 22 seconds left. Another run takes the clock to 18 seconds. Am I to believe that an NFL team can't use that timeout to plan to hurry up and run a second play in under 18 seconds?

It's not like they would have had lineman running 40 yards down the field. They were at the goal line. All they had to do was get in their stances. Run a QB sneak if you have to. What a joke these excuses are...

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Completely agree. It's been driving me nuts. The only person I've heard argue they could've gotten two running plays off in 20 seconds is Mike Golic, and Greenberg was incredulous with him. Everyone else I've read or heard just dismisses the idea like it defies the laws of physics.

So, just so we're clear, you're willing to bet the Super Bowl on whether you can line up, set, and hike the ball on two running plays with no time outs with 18 seconds left?

I don't think I would.

Like it or not, part of Carroll's explanation for passing on 2nd down is that if you don't pass there, you MUST pass on 3rd down. Passing on 2nd, as they did, preserved all options for third and fourth down.

[Hootie]

"hey pete...2nd and goal from the 1...let's have our 5'10" QB throw a slant into the middle of the field instead of hand the ball to MARSHAWN LYNCH. Nothing bad can happen, right?"

One explanation:

They really wanted Russell to be MVP (which he was going to be regardless) over Marshawn. And even if he wasn't, and Marshawn did win...who ****ing cares?!

Is MVP bigger than the Super Bowl? What a dumb thing Seattle tried to do for their QB. Breathtakingly stupid.

[TimBone]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Even if you're going to pass, don't throw over the middle where the ball can get deflected into the air with 11 Patriot defenders jammed into a small space.

Absolutely. If I am throwing there, I'm running PA to Lynch, and bootlegging Wilson. Let him use his feet and decision making on the run. Those are hsi strengths.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So, just so we're clear, you're willing to bet the Super Bowl on whether you can line up, set, and hike the ball on two running plays with no time outs with 18 seconds left?

I don't think I would.

Like it or not, part of Carroll's explanation for passing on 2nd down is that if you don't pass there, you MUST pass on 3rd down. Passing on 2nd, as they did, preserved all options for third and fourth down.

It's not ideal, but after the timeout before 3rd down (assuming they stopped Lynch), you call two plays.

Me? I call a play-action boot on 3rd down. But let's say they do call a run.

Fine.

3rd down. Run. Stuffed again? They already have a 4th down play call...they know...they hurry to the line. That's advantage Seattle, albeit with a lot of pressure...and I call a 4th down read option and put the game in my QB's hand. He makes the right read, they win. It's over. Done.

But yeah. They could have ran 3 times if they wanted to. Time really wasn't a factor, at all...unless Wilson took a 3rd down sack.

[-King-]

But then again, if Wilson doesn't try to lead the WR for what ever reason, it's either an incomplete pass or a TD.

[TimBone]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I keep hearing this talk about them not being able to run the ball three times in 26 seconds. A running play of less than a yard takes 4 seconds tops. Timeout is called with 22 seconds left. Another run takes the clock to 18 seconds. Am I to believe that an NFL team can't use that timeout to plan to hurry up and run a second play in under 18 seconds?

It's not like they would have had lineman running 40 yards down the field. They were at the goal line. All they had to do was get in their stances. Run a QB sneak if you have to. What a joke these excuses are...

Yeah, a co worker of mine made that argument yesterday. Completely ludicrous. With one timeout, there sI plenty of time to run three times.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by TimBone

Absolutely. If I am throwing there, I'm running PA to Lynch, and bootlegging Wilson. Let him use his feet and decision making on the run. Those are hsi strengths.

I said before, there were 3 choices and 3 choices only:

1) Run to Lynch out of heavy (easy choice)
2) Play action out of heavy to Willson (probably wide open, considering everyone knew Lynch was getting the ball)
3) Read option (not ideal, since this play could get blown up for a 3 or 4 yard loss)

1,000,000,000 (last play in the playbook): The play they called.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So, just so we're clear, you're willing to bet the Super Bowl on whether you can line up, set, and hike the ball on two running plays with no time outs with 18 seconds left?

I don't think I would.

Like it or not, part of Carroll's explanation for passing on 2nd down is that if you don't pass there, you MUST pass on 3rd down. Passing on 2nd, as they did, preserved all options for third and fourth down.

Let 'em keep posting. This thread is a comedy lover's delight, and it's just going to get better.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by -King-

But then again, if Wilson doesn't try to lead the WR for what ever reason, it's either an incomplete pass or a TD.

Tom Brady threw a wide open TD pass to Edelman the drive before and missed him by 3 yards. Overthrow.

Timing passes aren't as easy as you make them out to be. Wilson still made a fine pass...the DB beat the receiver. The DB made an all-time play.

There is a reason NO ONE in sports media is criticizing the QB for throwing a game ending pick...you realize that, right? In a day and age where everyone is a choker...why is no one calling the guy who threw a game ending pick on the biggest stage in sports a choker? Because even the biggest Russel hater knows that wasn't his fault, at all.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So, just so we're clear, you're willing to bet the Super Bowl on whether you can line up, set, and hike the ball on two running plays with no time outs with 18 seconds left?

I don't think I would.

Like it or not, part of Carroll's explanation for passing on 2nd down is that if you don't pass there, you MUST pass on 3rd down. Passing on 2nd, as they did, preserved all options for third and fourth down.

Yes I am. Seen it done before. I bet you have too. I mean, don't they practice those kinds of plays?

After the final timeout on second down, you call two plays in case you don't score on third down, make sure everyone knows the drill (and notify the refs they better be quick to remove any Patriots lingering on top of a Seahawk).

[-King-]

Originally Posted by TimBone

Yeah, a co worker of mine made that argument yesterday. Completely ludicrous. With one timeout, there sI plenty of time to run three times.

A play only taking 4 seconds is wishful thinking. If the Patriots stop Lynch, how fast do you think they're going to unpile and get ready for the line? By the time they all unpile and the ball is spotted, at least 10 seconds will have ran off the clock. You would get 2 run plays at AT BEST.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Tom Brady threw a wide open TD pass to Edelman the drive before and missed him by 3 yards. Overthrow.

Yes he did. He should have made a better throw. Wilson should have made a better throw also. There's no reason to lead a receiver in that situation at all. You don't need YAC.

And no one is calling Wilson a choker. I'm not. But just because he got a shitty play call doesn't mean he's without fault.

[Beef Supreme]

If Seattle had scored, which before the interception seemed like a pretty good bet, Belichik's decision not to call a timeout would be the bad coaching call we would all be talking about.