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It is a team game. ***I*** never said otherwise. I absolutely agree that Brady didn't somehow single-handedly win those SBs by himself. I would argue with you if you said otherwise. If some fool wanted to downplay the efforts of a very good defense those Super Bowl years, or Corey Dillon in '04, or whatever, then I would fight that fight too. But here are the simple facts -- if either the defense could stop Manning just freaking ONCE in the 2nd half of that damn comeback game in '06 (OR Brady's offense could score one more time or kill more clock in the 2nd half), or Tyree doesn't make that absurd catch, then Brady has 4 or 5 Super Bowl wins. It's a game of inches, momentum, luck, intangibles and immeasurables. No single player controls all that, including the quarterback. Your argument isn't stupid because you're correctly pointing out that the Patriots haven't won the SB in 10 years. It's stupid because you're idiotically laying the blame entirely at Brady's feet, while simultaneously cherry picking stats to try to undermine the resume of one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history -- in fact the WINNINGEST playoff quarterback in NFL history. Least clutch? He has a .700+ win percentage, and is setting records all the time for winning divisions, conference championships, and Super Bowl statistics just because he manages to keep going back there. **IF** they go to the SB this year, that would be SIX times in a 13 year career. ALMOST 50% OF THE TIME HE GETS THEM TO THE SUPER BOWL. Manning got his team there (assuming they DON'T go this year), 3 times in 16 years. That is, uhhh, substantially less than 50% of the time, but still better than most.
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Lot of pressure now for New England to get to the Super Bowl. If they lose it'll be really hard to defend Tom Brady this year.
Actually, check that. No it won't. Everyone will just reference things he did 11-14 years ago. Nevermind. Life is pretty easy for Mr. Brady. Manages an elite defense with an elite coaching staff filming defensive signals and gets a lifetime worth of free passes after that. |
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Enjoy that argument. Spygate was much ado about nothing. A PR situation that needed managing. If you think it means the Patriots Super Bowls don't count, that's fine. I don't care.
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Unlike you -- if the Patriots lose, it's automatically Brady's fault, because he's a choker. Which is exactly the line of thought that we're all laughing at you for. Because it's so obviously stupid. Quote:
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you guys obviously don't understand the point of this thread
clearly, I (on record) think Brady is great The point is; when Manning loses in the playoffs it's ALWAYS his fault and he's ALWAYS a choker. When Brady loses, he always gets an excuse, it's always "his team wasn't good enough!" and he's never a choker. Are you guys starting to get it? Why does Brady get every excuse while Manning is always to blame? H Y P O C R I S Y |
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and the Rodgers thread was the same thing ...
Rodgers has had 1 good playoff run. 1. Brett Favre was far more successful to start his postseason career than Aaron Rodgers. Yet, Rodgers, despite losing twice in a row (once as the #1 seed) to Colin Kaepernick, and underachieving in the postseason despite his physicals gifts, also gets every pass in the world. "His defense is bad!" "His line sucks!" But Manning never gets any excuses. Why? |
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Let's pretend Spygate didn't exist.
This is all well and dandy, Billay ... But those three rings happened over a decade ago...all of them. And those three rings all happened because the Patriots had a competent offense, an elite defense, elite special teams, and elite coaching. Tom Brady shouldn't get ALL OF THE CREDIT for those just like he shouldn't take ALL OF THE BLAME for 10 years of postseason failure just like Peyton Manning shouldn't take ALL OF THE BLAME for 8 one and done's. Anything making sense yet? |
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Because the knock on Manning all throughout his college career was he could never win the big one. He proved everyone right for almost a decade and finally won a super bowl ironically enough it was his defense that carried him to that championship.
Brady lead his team from comeback victories in all of his championships. Seriously man you are over thinking this. |
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Manning's defense did not carry him to a championship.
How many ****ing times do we have to go through this? Brady did not lead his team to comeback victories in all of his championships. What in the ****ing ****. Where did all of these myths originate? Peyton Manning won the Super Bowl MVP because he rallied his team back against Tom Brady in the AFCCG down 18 and then controlled the entire game (and rallied back from 10 down against the Bears) in the Super Bowl. 39 minutes T.O.P. against an elite defense. Good ****. |
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it's why Decker went from ELITE to A NOTHING in 1 year Brady has made all of his players around him better, and so has Manning. What bullshit rhetoric. |
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This - ALL DAY LONG. It's so obvious, it's not even seriously debatable.
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No he didn't. In fact, he didn't do it in any of them.
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