Football Tom Brady; least clutch QB in NFL history? - Page 6

Hootie · 12-22-2014, 02:48 PM

(Slow day at work for me, guys):

Tom Brady:

2005: Gets crushed by Jake Plummer and the Denver Broncos. Plays HORRENDOUSLY. Embarrassingly bad.

2006: Blows an 18 point lead to Peyton Manning in the AFCCG. Plays horrendously, and ends the game in Indy territory throwing a game ending INT to Marlon Jackson. Great clutch play.

2007: 18-1. Scores 14 points in the Super Bowl in a game they are favored to win by 13.5. Also, in the AFCCG against the Chargers, he posted a QB rating of 18 and threw 3 INT's. Very clutch, I know.

2008: KNEE CRUSHER; Cassel wins 11 games as starting QB.

2009: Gets OBLITERATED by Joe Flacco and the Ravens. Loses the game single-handedly in the 1st quarter and posts a WHOPPING QBR OF 4.2. Not a typo. FOUR POINT TWO. FOUR POINT TWO. In reference, Peyton posted a 24.4 last year against Seattle in the Super Bowl. So picture how bad that performance was, and multiply it by about 25.

2010: Lost @ home to MARK SANCHEZ AND THE JETS. But don't worry guys, Tom Brady doubled his QBR in this one and posted a respectable 8.7 EIGHT POINT SEVEN.

2011: Got to the Super Bowl by beating Tim Tebow, playing HORRENDOUSLY against the Ravens (again) in the Lee Evans game, and then overthrowing Welker to lose another Super Bowl. Clutch.

2012: Got obliterated by Joe Flacco and the Ravens despite being favored by 7. He posted a respectable 40 QBR, though, and only lost by 15 ... despite Peyton beating the team the week before only to be Rahim Moore'd. Great clutch play.

2013: Beat Andrew Luck despite throwing 0 TD's. Lost to Peyton Manning, while playing another mediocre game. 1 TD. Very clutch, Mr. Brady!

So, in short, the biggest playoff choking QB in the NFL right now is Tom Brady. In all of those aforementioned choke jobs, he was favored to lose TWICE, both to Peyton Manning (both losses).

Any more myths you want be to bust?

4.2 QBR and 8.7 QBR is Rex Grossman bad, in case anyone wanted a reference point.

**Donger** · 12-22-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

MANNING HAS ONLY WON 1 - ONE- Championship at any level.

High school, college, or the pros.

He's been the favorite in EVERY game he's lost in the playoffs.
He's lost more playoff games than any other HOF QB.
THINK ABOUT THAT...

Yes, but I'm sure that the Coriolis effect, laser beams or North Korea had something to do with that...

Hootie · 12-22-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Which games are those, precisely?

Sanchez loss
Flacco loss

4 QBR
8 QBR

No excuses. Peyton does that and he gets blasted until the end of time.

You're the biggest hypocrite in the world.

**Rausch** · 12-22-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Tom Brady; least clutch QB in NFL history?

This is an actual thread by Halo-Level-50.

LEAST CLUTCH IN HISTORY.

This man called me out on my football knowledge...

Amnorix · 12-22-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

The joke is that you blame Manning for not winning a SB, when there are many years in there where Manning is the sole reason they got as far as they did.

And the untimely injuries are enough to make me want to puke.

But I really doubt the Pats lose 43-8, since they lost by 10 to Denver the previous week, it would probably have been like 53-3 since Brady would have been pulled before getting that garbage TD...

I actually agree with some of that. Winning a Super Bowl takes talent, hard work and a bit of luck. There's no question.

Unlike you, I don't need to rip Peyton Manning. I think Brady is better, but your argument that Brady has choked for 10 years is comically asinine. Keep going with it though. The comedy value is priceless.

**Rausch** · 12-22-2014, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, but I'm sure that the Coriolis effect, laser beams or North Korea had something to do with that...

If Manning loses a playoff game this year NO ONE will have lost more playoff games than Manning.

NO ONE.

NO...QB...EVER...

Nightfyre · 12-22-2014, 04:16 PM

Yup, the pats are making their 6th straight playoff appearance. They may not even make it to the Super Bowl for the 2nd time in those six years, or even make it to the AFCCG for the 4th time in those six years.

Hootie · 12-22-2014, 04:18 PM

Here is my ultimate point, Amnorix:

You consider Peyton to be this HUGE choker. And REFERENCE his HUGE choke jobs. Yet, when I turn around and point out all of the disappointment Tom Brady and the Pats have had the past 10 years you are AMAZINGLY quick to point out EVERY SINGLE excuse in the world for why Brady couldn't have won!!! Yet, EVERY AND ANY TIME Peyton loses, all of you Pats fans point and giggle about how terrible of a choker Peyton is...it's hypocritical and HILARIOUS.

It makes no sense.

Peyton threw a pick 6 down 7 in a Super Bowl and they lost!!!!!

Oh, but Tom was down 4 in Indy territory and only needed a TD to win but threw a game ending pick that ultimately won Peyton his Super Bowl ... ?

"OH BUT! BUT! BUT THE PATS WEREN'T GOOD THAT YEAR AND BRADY DIDN'T HAVE GOOD ENOUGH PLAYERS AND THAT WASN'T FAIR BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SEE MARLON JACKSON AND YOU CAN'T EXPECT HIM TO SCORE A TD THERE HE DIDN'T HAVE VINATIERI TO BAIL HIM OUT AND HE WAS DOWN 4 NOT 3 SO THAT'S TOO MUCH TO EXPECT!!!!"

Yeah, ok. Ok. That's not hypocritical or anything.

TOM BRADY WAS UP 18 IN THE AFCCG TO PEYTON "CHOKER" MANNING AND LOST. HAD A CHANCE TO WIN AT THE END, AND THREW A PICK.

Explain to me how that is not choking, but Peyton throwing a pick down 7 is choking?

Yeah?

Hypocritical? Or?

Nightfyre · 12-22-2014, 04:18 PM

True/False: If you put Tom Brady on the Chiefs they are instant Super Bowl contenders.

**Rausch** · 12-22-2014, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Yet, EVERY AND ANY TIME Peyton loses, all of you Pats fans point and giggle about how terrible of a choker Peyton is...it's hypocritical and HILARIOUS.

HE...ALWAYS...LOSES...

**Donger** · 12-22-2014, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

If Manning loses a playoff game this year NO ONE will have lost more playoff games than Manning.

NO ONE.

NO...QB...EVER...

He's clearly just biding his time. Or trying to fool his opponents that he's a choke artist.

Amnorix · 12-22-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Here is my ultimate point, Amnorix:

You consider Peyton to be this HUGE choker. And REFERENCE his HUGE choke jobs. Yet, when I turn around and point out all of the disappointment Tom Brady and the Pats have had the past 10 years you are AMAZINGLY quick to point out EVERY SINGLE excuse in the world for why Brady couldn't have won!!! Yet, EVERY AND ANY TIME Peyton loses, all of you Pats fans point and giggle about how terrible of a choker Peyton is...it's hypocritical and HILARIOUS.

It makes no sense.

Peyton threw a pick 6 down 7 in a Super Bowl and they lost!!!!!

Oh, but Tom was down 4 in Indy territory and only needed a TD to win but threw a game ending pick that ultimately won Peyton his Super Bowl ... ?

"OH BUT! BUT! BUT THE PATS WEREN'T GOOD THAT YEAR AND BRADY DIDN'T HAVE GOOD ENOUGH PLAYERS AND THAT WASN'T FAIR BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SEE MARLON JACKSON AND YOU CAN'T EXPECT HIM TO SCORE A TD THERE HE DIDN'T HAVE VINATIERI TO BAIL HIM OUT AND HE WAS DOWN 4 NOT 3 SO THAT'S TOO MUCH TO EXPECT!!!!"

Yeah, ok. Ok. That's not hypocritical or anything.

TOM BRADY WAS UP 18 IN THE AFCCG TO PEYTON "CHOKER" MANNING AND LOST. HAD A CHANCE TO WIN AT THE END, AND THREW A PICK.

Explain to me how that is not choking, but Peyton throwing a pick down 7 is choking?

Yeah?

Hypocritical? Or?

Consider psychiatric help.

Nightfyre · 12-22-2014, 04:23 PM

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**Rausch** · 12-22-2014, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

He's clearly just biding his time. Or trying to fool his opponents that he's a choke artist.

Manning or pootie?...

**Donger** · 12-22-2014, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

Manning or pootie?...

Yes.

Hootie · 12-22-2014, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

HE...ALWAYS...LOSES...

2005 - 2014

Tom Brady 0 Super Bowls; Postseason wins against Manning: 0

2005 - 2014

Peyton Manning 1 Super Bowl; Postseason wins against Brady: 2

10 years is a large sample size. Try again.

12-22-2014, 02:48 PM
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Tom Brady; least clutch QB in NFL history? (Slow day at work for me, guys): Tom Brady: 2005: Gets crushed by Jake Plummer and the Denver Broncos. Plays HORRENDOUSLY. Embarrassingly bad. 2006: Blows an 18 point lead to Peyton Manning in the AFCCG. Plays horrendously, and ends the game in Indy territory throwing a game ending INT to Marlon Jackson. Great clutch play. 2007: 18-1. Scores 14 points in the Super Bowl in a game they are favored to win by 13.5. Also, in the AFCCG against the Chargers, he posted a QB rating of 18 and threw 3 INT's. Very clutch, I know. 2008: KNEE CRUSHER; Cassel wins 11 games as starting QB. 2009: Gets OBLITERATED by Joe Flacco and the Ravens. Loses the game single-handedly in the 1st quarter and posts a WHOPPING QBR OF 4.2. Not a typo. FOUR POINT TWO. FOUR POINT TWO. In reference, Peyton posted a 24.4 last year against Seattle in the Super Bowl. So picture how bad that performance was, and multiply it by about 25. 2010: Lost @ home to MARK SANCHEZ AND THE JETS. But don't worry guys, Tom Brady doubled his QBR in this one and posted a respectable 8.7 EIGHT POINT SEVEN. 2011: Got to the Super Bowl by beating Tim Tebow, playing HORRENDOUSLY against the Ravens (again) in the Lee Evans game, and then overthrowing Welker to lose another Super Bowl. Clutch. 2012: Got obliterated by Joe Flacco and the Ravens despite being favored by 7. He posted a respectable 40 QBR, though, and only lost by 15 ... despite Peyton beating the team the week before only to be Rahim Moore'd. Great clutch play. 2013: Beat Andrew Luck despite throwing 0 TD's. Lost to Peyton Manning, while playing another mediocre game. 1 TD. Very clutch, Mr. Brady! So, in short, the biggest playoff choking QB in the NFL right now is Tom Brady. In all of those aforementioned choke jobs, he was favored to lose TWICE, both to Peyton Manning (both losses). Any more myths you want be to bust? 4.2 QBR and 8.7 QBR is Rex Grossman bad, in case anyone wanted a reference point.
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12-22-2014, 04:16 PM	#81
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12-22-2014, 04:18 PM	#82
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Here is my ultimate point, Amnorix: You consider Peyton to be this HUGE choker. And REFERENCE his HUGE choke jobs. Yet, when I turn around and point out all of the disappointment Tom Brady and the Pats have had the past 10 years you are AMAZINGLY quick to point out EVERY SINGLE excuse in the world for why Brady couldn't have won!!! Yet, EVERY AND ANY TIME Peyton loses, all of you Pats fans point and giggle about how terrible of a choker Peyton is...it's hypocritical and HILARIOUS. It makes no sense. Peyton threw a pick 6 down 7 in a Super Bowl and they lost!!!!! Oh, but Tom was down 4 in Indy territory and only needed a TD to win but threw a game ending pick that ultimately won Peyton his Super Bowl ... ? "OH BUT! BUT! BUT THE PATS WEREN'T GOOD THAT YEAR AND BRADY DIDN'T HAVE GOOD ENOUGH PLAYERS AND THAT WASN'T FAIR BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SEE MARLON JACKSON AND YOU CAN'T EXPECT HIM TO SCORE A TD THERE HE DIDN'T HAVE VINATIERI TO BAIL HIM OUT AND HE WAS DOWN 4 NOT 3 SO THAT'S TOO MUCH TO EXPECT!!!!" Yeah, ok. Ok. That's not hypocritical or anything. TOM BRADY WAS UP 18 IN THE AFCCG TO PEYTON "CHOKER" MANNING AND LOST. HAD A CHANCE TO WIN AT THE END, AND THREW A PICK. Explain to me how that is not choking, but Peyton throwing a pick down 7 is choking? Yeah? Hypocritical? Or?
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12-22-2014, 04:18 PM	#83
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12-22-2014, 04:23 PM	#87
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