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**BossChief** · 12-16-2014, 11:05 AM

I know there has been a lot of talk about this topic and I just want to see what the majority of the people here think the biggest issue is that causes the offense to underperform.

ToxSocks · 12-16-2014, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsChoke010414

Then how does Charles happen to have the all time YPC mark? Because the passing game has never really been there during his career.

Reid is just not patient enough with the running game to stick with it and give Charles or Davis the opportunity to break a big one.

To answer the OP's question, the number one reason the offense isn't average is the offensive line. The number one reason they aren't and will never be elite in today's NFL, is the QB position.

Because he's amazing when given a crease?

Those creases haven't been there. Yeah, we've had a lot of shitty teams over the years that couldn't pass. But this historically bad? And even then, our running game was still stronger.

Not only that, but JC's YPC has gone down this year....And when you watch him run, he hasn't seemed to have lost a step or any burst....which only leaves one conclusion.

Last year's O-line was far better than this years...and it shows in both the pass and run.

Jimmya · 12-16-2014, 01:22 PM

This morning on NFL radio they were discussing QB's in the league that needed to prove their value. #1 was Jay Cutler / #2 was Andy Dalton / #3 was Alex Smith

ChiefsChoke010414 · 12-16-2014, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

Matt Cassel threw down the field. He didn't do it accurately....but he'd at least ****ing do it.

Yeah it'd be nice to occasionally stretch the defense out or make them think about a deep ball, but you still need deep threat receivers for that.

Teams will continue to man cover and stack the box even if they feel you might throw it deep to some scrub. No one will fear the receivers we have on this roster. The sad thing is that guys like Avery and Jenkins actually have speed, but even when they were healthy, the Chiefs wouldn't throw it to them deep. Then again, there's more to the deep ball than just being fast.

Pablo · 12-16-2014, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

All of the above.

If I had to rank them though.

1. Offensive Line
2. QB
3. Playcalling
4. WRs

This is the correct answer.

I'd give them something like a 30/25/25/20 split if I had to.

ToxSocks · 12-16-2014, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmya

This morning on NFL radio they were discussing QB's in the league that needed to prove their value. #1 was Jay Cutler / #2 was Andy Dalton / #3 was Alex Smith

I'd put both Smith and Kaep before Dalton.

ChiefsChoke010414 · 12-16-2014, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Because he's amazing when given a crease?

Those creases haven't been there. Yeah, we've had a lot of shitty teams over the years that couldn't pass. But this historically bad? And even then, our running game was still stronger.

Not only that, but JC's YPC has gone down this year....And when you watch him run, he hasn't seemed to have lost a step or any burst....which only leaves one conclusion.

Last year's O-line was far better than this years...and it shows in both the pass and run.

The line was better last year, but Charles is still 2nd in YPC among backs in 2014. I wouldn't call that a huge dropoff, even though his YPC is down.

I'd like to see a stat that shows what his YPC has been over the course of the season, to see if it's gotten worse game by game. But overall, with a 5.0 YPC, I'd say we need to run more often.

ToxSocks · 12-16-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsChoke010414

Yeah it'd be nice to occasionally stretch the defense out or make them think about a deep ball, but you still need deep threat receivers for that.

Teams will continue to man cover and stack the box even if they feel you might throw it deep to some scrub. No one will fear the receivers we have on this roster. The sad thing is that guys like Avery and Jenkins actually have speed, but even when they were healthy, the Chiefs wouldn't throw it to them deep. Then again, there's more to the deep ball than just being fast.

Our Receivers can get open deep. But Smith doesn't have the accuracy and the O-line won't hold up long enough for it to matter.

The coaches aren't going to draw up down field plays until the O-line can prove that they can actually hold their blocks long enough for the routes to develop.

ToxSocks · 12-16-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsChoke010414

The line was better last year, but Charles is still 2nd in YPC among backs in 2014. I wouldn't call that a huge dropoff, even though his YPC is down.

I'd like to see a stat that shows what his YPC has been over the course of the season, to see if it's gotten worse game by game. But overall, with a 5.0 YPC, I'd say we need to run more often.

The running game hasn't been getting 5 YPC for quite some time now.

Pablo · 12-16-2014, 01:29 PM

No 'John Dorsey doesn't know what the **** he's doing' option?

ToxSocks · 12-16-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

No 'John Dorsey doesn't know what the **** he's doing' option?

No definitive evidence of that.

**loochy** · 12-16-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant

All of the above.

If I had to rank them though.

1. Offensive Line
2. QB
3. Playcalling
4. WRs

you stole my post!

Exactly this.

CoMoChief · 12-16-2014, 01:37 PM

collectively all 4 points that are listed...its not just 1 thing

Discuss Thrower · 12-16-2014, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

No definitive evidence of that.

Trade for a QB and then sign a bunch of free agents on 1 year contracts to contend for a wildcard berth.

Then let the majority of these free agents walk next year and fail to address the holes created by these departures in addition to ones that became obvious problems during the course of the previous season.

Eleazar · 12-16-2014, 03:27 PM

Well, for all the loudness of the Alex haters, at least most people realize that the o-line is the biggest issue.

Only 22% think Alex Smith is the problem with the offense. To read this website, you'd think it was near 100%

jLoy88 · 12-16-2014, 03:35 PM

1) Offensive Line
2) Playcalling (Horrible use of our offensive weapons)
3) Wide Receivers - I've never seen a more butterfingered group of players.
4) Defensive backs allergic to interceptions
5) QB.

Fix the first 4 and they're contenders.

View Poll Results: What's the offenses biggest weakness
Alex Smith	29	23.02%
The offensive line	67	53.17%
The wide receivers	13	10.32%
Play calling	11	8.73%
Something else	6	4.76%
Voters: 126. You may not vote on this poll

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jLoy88 Starter Join Date: Dec 2013 Casino cash: $9977641	1) Offensive Line 2) Playcalling (Horrible use of our offensive weapons) 3) Wide Receivers - I've never seen a more butterfingered group of players. 4) Defensive backs allergic to interceptions 5) QB. Fix the first 4 and they're contenders.
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