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Old 11-04-2014, 12:13 AM  
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Random thoughts on the Chiefs snapcounts vs. Jets.

Arrowhead Pride does its usual great job and lists the snapcounts for all the Chiefs players against the Jets.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/1...fs-snap-counts

Some thoughts:

1. Dee Ford didn't play a snap of defense -- what? why? It's the ****ing Jets. We were ahead of them two scores nearly the entire game. If we're serious about replacing Hali with Ford, why are we not getting Ford on the field when possible?

2. Knile Davis only getting 10 snaps? A crime. Charles is in the last two or three years of great productivity. You need to eke as much out of him as possible, and playing him 90% of the snaps against a last place team that you're essentially crushing is poor management of your roster.

I'm in favor of trotting out Charles and getting productivity out of him in first halves, and then working in Knile as the primary back to punish and wear down defenses in the 2nd half. I really love how Knile runs. And a fresh Knile against a worn down defense trying to figure out how to stop his teammate? Even better.

3. Phillip Gaines played almost every single snap. God, how far has this kid coming in virtually no time at all. From our worst player in the preseason to potentially our best CB. If we end up retaining Sean Smith (looking more and more likely) than we may not have to burn a high rounder on CB in the draft, focusing instead on offensive playmakers.

4. Fasano playing nearly 100% of the snaps, and Kelce playing just north of 50% of the snaps, is something that continues to completely puzzle me. Andy Reid has shown the ability to correct course as the games get bigger, most notably benching Fisher last year for an "injury" and playing Stephenson at RT down the stretch, so hopefully this is something where the two gradually swap roles. Kelce is not only the superior weapon, he's also every bit the blocker Fasano is.

5. Pretty fascinating, how Sutton is handling these injuries on defense. Josh Mauga played 100% of the snaps. Mauga played under Sutton as a Jet, and just hasn't stayed healthy. Right now, he is playing extremely reliably at the position, smart with a good nose for the ball. At safety, and this is a shocker, Sutton chose to rotate in All Pro Eric Berry and let Abdullah and Parker play 100% of the defensive snaps. If that's not a gigantic vote of confidence in Ron Parker (who will be a free agent this offseason), nothing does. The Chiefs played Abdullah more and more last season just like Parker is now, and re-signed him as a priority. Hopefully we do the same with Parker -- but it does beg the question of where an All Pro safety with Berry's skillset fits in this defense. In Berry's defense, he did seem to play well, but I haven't rewatched the entire game yet.

6. Poe played just north of 80% of the snaps. The closer we can get him to 75% throughout the season, the better. He played 70% of the snaps against the Rams. That said, it's strange to me that they paid Vance Walker his semi-sizeable contract to just back up Poe. Did we fork over major dollar just to spell Poe? Really?

Also, this team is ridiculously under-using Kevin Vickerson. He's a free agent this offseason, so hopefully they can sign him for nothing. He really needs to be getting Jaye Howard's snaps. The reason this team can't stop the run right now is because our best run defender hardly plays.

7. Albert Wilson, for the 2nd week in a row: 1 snap, 1 reception. He's only run two plays the past two weeks, and they're both the same route, but he's looked smooth, secured the reception, and turned for yardage. Get this man on the field -- give him Hemingway's snaps. **** Hemingway.

8. Pretty fascinating that two scrubs Dorsey's found this offseason (Harris and McGlynn), one of whom was found days before the season has began, are outplaying Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson, OL that Pioli spent TWO day 2 picks on.
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:48 AM   #16
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Good, give Dee Ford the Phillip Gaines treatment, maybe he'll see the same improvement.
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:58 AM   #17
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If you look at the stat sheet, the Jets out played us. They won time of possession, had more passing yard, more rushing yards and Vick actually was better than Smith. We only won the points battle.
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Old 11-04-2014, 02:02 AM   #18
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I'm pretty sure the Chiefs went up 21-10 at halftime and Reid and Sutton both decided to call off the dogs and save themselves for Buffalo.

It does beg the question why they continued to trot out Charles, Hali, and Houston when the game was clearly in KC's favor.

Edit: Or Alex Smith, for that matter.
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Old 11-04-2014, 02:04 AM   #19
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I'm pretty sure the Chiefs went up 21-10 at halftime and Reid and Sutton both decided to call off the dogs and save themselves for Buffalo.

It does beg the question why they continued to trot out Charles, Hali, and Houston when the game was clearly in KC's favor.
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Old 11-04-2014, 02:13 AM   #20
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Sorry, I meant to say that the Jets finally exposed our offense and defense as shams, and therefore gave the remaining slate of opponents two full quarters of domination film study which will ultimately be our undoing.

We will forever remember the second half of the Jets game as the locus of our foiling.
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Old 11-04-2014, 02:21 AM   #21
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I hate to say this...you know I do...but we probably have the best backfield tandem for making a shit line look decent in the NFL.

Alex Smith and Jamaal Charles.

More often than not they just slide right past the first guy that comes free.

If you put Cassel and LJ in the backfield we'd probably have the worst O in football.
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Old 11-04-2014, 07:01 AM   #22
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So.... I wonder if Ford didn't play much because of what happened against Kaepernick. Until he learns the game, I'm guessing he plays against pocket passers vs. threats to run. He looked confused against Kaepernick and I'd bet New York would exploit that. It's going to take him some time to learn how to rush/cover/stop the run.... extra wrinkle to ask him to also contain a QB and determine if he's running/passing.
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Old 11-04-2014, 08:01 AM   #23
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Arrowhead Pride does its usual great job and lists the snapcounts for all the Chiefs players against the Jets.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/1...fs-snap-counts

Some thoughts:

1. Dee Ford didn't play a snap of defense -- what? why? It's the ****ing Jets. We were ahead of them two scores nearly the entire game. If we're serious about replacing Hali with Ford, why are we not getting Ford on the field when possible?

Firstly, its called not wanting to let the other team back into the football game with a dumbass mistake on Ford's side of the field. With Johnson's speed, the guy can take it the distance. Ford can learn on the practice field. This is likely Tamba's last season here, we need to get our money's worth.

2. Knile Davis only getting 10 snaps? A crime. Charles is in the last two or three years of great productivity. You need to eke as much out of him as possible, and playing him 90% of the snaps against a last place team that you're essentially crushing is poor management of your roster.

I was also thinking that the Chiefs should lead off with Knile in some games. Against the Rams, Jamaal wasn't getting anything good between the tackles, but Knile was taking them to the woodshed later in the game. Now, whether this is due to fatigue, or an admission that the game was simply over is for you to decide, but this guy would be an amazing meat tenderizer for us, and we send in Charles to completely throw them off kilter.

I'm in favor of trotting out Charles and getting productivity out of him in first halves, and then working in Knile as the primary back to punish and wear down defenses in the 2nd half. I really love how Knile runs. And a fresh Knile against a worn down defense trying to figure out how to stop his teammate? Even better.

This would work also

4. Fasano playing nearly 100% of the snaps, and Kelce playing just north of 50% of the snaps, is something that continues to completely puzzle me. Andy Reid has shown the ability to correct course as the games get bigger, most notably benching Fisher last year for an "injury" and playing Stephenson at RT down the stretch, so hopefully this is something where the two gradually swap roles. Kelce is not only the superior weapon, he's also every bit the blocker Fasano is.

Gotta disagree here. Fasano is by far the superior blocker. Kelce is more of a "get my hands on you and try to stop you" blocker instead of moving men out of the way. Until he becomes a full on participant in the blocking game, he isn't going to get more snaps than Fasano.

5. Pretty fascinating, how Sutton is handling these injuries on defense. Josh Mauga played 100% of the snaps. Mauga played under Sutton as a Jet, and just hasn't stayed healthy. Right now, he is playing extremely reliably at the position, smart with a good nose for the ball. At safety, and this is a shocker, Sutton chose to rotate in All Pro Eric Berry and let Abdullah and Parker play 100% of the defensive snaps. If that's not a gigantic vote of confidence in Ron Parker (who will be a free agent this offseason), nothing does. The Chiefs played Abdullah more and more last season just like Parker is now, and re-signed him as a priority. Hopefully we do the same with Parker -- but it does beg the question of where an All Pro safety with Berry's skillset fits in this defense. In Berry's defense, he did seem to play well, but I haven't rewatched the entire game yet.

You can look at it two ways. As a vote of confidence in Parker, or as an indictment on Berry's durability. From things that Ive read and seen, it sounds like they were trying to be careful with him and ease him back into the game. I don't see Ron Parker supplanting a 100% healthy Eric Berry. If it truly is a skillset issue, machinations for a trade need to begin now. We pay that dude way too much money to be a rotational player.


8. Pretty fascinating that two scrubs Dorsey's found this offseason (Harris and McGlynn), one of whom was found days before the season has began, are outplaying Jeff Allen and Donald Stephenson, OL that Pioli spent TWO day 2 picks on.

To be fair, Jeff Allen is on IR. Nothing he can do about that. I cannot believe anyone would say that McGlynn is outplaying ANYONE. This guy is the worst O-lineman in KC since Jordan Black.
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Old 11-04-2014, 08:27 AM   #24
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Parker at corner is painful. He lines off 20 yards off the ball and gives Em an easy completion. It wasn't like the team was up 28 either.
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If you look at the stat sheet, the Jets out played us. had more passing yard, more rushing yards and Vick actually was better than Smith. We only won the points battle.
Not true, but it was close.
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Parker at corner is painful. He lines off 20 yards off the ball and gives Em an easy completion. It wasn't like the team was up 28 either.
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McGlynn isn't out playing anyone.

He might be the worst G I've ever watched play...
It's almost like Reid doesn't give a shit who the best player is ... he wants the guy who does exactly what he's told, regardless of the results.

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If you look at the stat sheet, the Jets out played us. They won time of possession, had more passing yard, more rushing yards and Vick actually was better than Smith. We only won the points battle.
I remember reading last year that the Chiefs were among the most efficient teams in the league at yards per point scored while forcing other teams to get a lot of yards to score points. Obviously special teams and scoring defense was the main reason for it.

This Jets game didn't have those two things going significantly in our favor. Good red zone defense is all I can think of to explain how we were so even with the Jets on stats, but uneven on the points scored.
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If you look at the stat sheet, the Jets out played us. They won time of possession, had more passing yard, more rushing yards and Vick actually was better than Smith. We only won the points battle.
Jets put up a ton of stats in garbage time
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