Football Adrian Peterson Indicted - Page 47

**doomy3** · 09-12-2014, 03:17 PM

Reckless/negligent injury to a child. Indicted.

This league may not be able to sustain too many more of these black eyes. It's a mess.

Marcellus · 09-15-2014, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Okay, but you also don't know the disciplinary tactics used by the parents of the offending kids. When I was a kid (late 80's early 90's) I had a few friends that consistently got in trouble and they were the ones whose parents were the most extreme when it came to corporal punishment. I know that's anecdotal, but that's kinda the point. We see a lot more now than people could back then. Does that mean there are more bad kids? I don't think so. In fact, and I know this is a worn out tune, but parents of kids in the 60's thought the next generation was going to be a mess just like their parents did. Why do you think this is finally the generation to **** it all up?

Also, saying what would have gotten you thrown out of school back then doesn't at all apply to the discussion. You're talking about school policy, not parental forms of discipline.

If corporal punishment is not working with your kids then you need to look at other alternatives.

If non corporal punishment is not working with your kids maybe you need to look at the alternative.

I never insinuated just beat the kids when they screw up and eventually it will work. Some kids need whooped. Do it early enough and the need often goes away.

Its not the whole reason for today's issues, its just an example of the change in society.

Marcellus · 09-15-2014, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Link?

If you don't have the ability to see it yourself in society then you may be one of those people yourself.

ToxSocks · 09-15-2014, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I do think I'm a bit of a sociopath because none of this shit bothers me. Not the Ray Rice thing. And certainly not this.

Look, I'd never hit a woman. I'd never hit a man. I'm not a violent person. But ****. Do I think Ray Rice is the worst person in America? Uhm, no.

Do I think Adrian Peterson should be beating his children with tree branches? Uhm, no. I have 3 nephews and a niece and I can't imagine my sisters or their husbands doing that to them...and they wouldn't, because, well they are rational.

But, ya know...I wasn't beaten with a switch when I was a kid. Was Adrian Peterson? Seems like it. Should he have probably weeded that out of his parenting style? Yep. Do I think he'll ever do it again now? No, I don't. Do I think he made a terrible mistake? Sure. Do I think he needs to sit out a football season because of it? No.

This shit is super hilarious to me. He played the entire preseason and the Vikings certainly knew of this upcoming possibility of an indictment. It becomes public? DEACTIVATED. It's a ****ing joke.

All of this.

WilliamTheIrish · 09-15-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Argue all you want but I don't see how anyone could say kids, young adults etc... are better behaved now than they were in 1964.

I have had many discussions on this topic with many people and everyone I have talked to thinks not all but in general kids these days are rediculously poor behaved and show little respect for adults, teachers etc...

I have seen classroom video from my daughters freshman year of high school of shit going on and things said to teachers that would get you thrown out of school for a long time not very long ago.

So before everyone keeps throwing out the "its not 1964 or 1980" stuff you may want to ask if things are truly better as far as moral compass, respect etc...are all concerned.

I don't see it.

Interesting. Almost every school district has a policy of zero tolerance towards the students. There are literally a hundred threads you dig up on this site that state "school district suspends kid for...."

My class - in a parochial school no less - had tudents who smeared shit on the walls. Students who beat and intimidated other students. Students that showed outright disrespect for teachers.

No different than today.

**kysirsoze** · 09-15-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

If corporal punishment is not working with your kids then you need to look at other alternatives.

If non corporal punishment is not working with your kids maybe you need to look at the alternative.

I never insinuated just beat the kids when they screw up and eventually it will work. Some kids need whooped. Do it early enough and the need often goes away.

Its not the whole reason for today's issues, its just an example of the change in society.

Still not sold on this. Higher visibility of shitty kids, yes. Shittier kids? Haven't seen it. Even if I had, I would need to see some actual data before making that claim that has been made every generation. Also, more pleases and thank yous (while I do value politeness) is not the same as a higher moral standard.

**RealSNR** · 09-15-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Argue all you want but I don't see how anyone could say kids, young adults etc... are better behaved now than they were in 1964.

I have had many discussions on this topic with many people and everyone I have talked to thinks not all but in general kids these days are rediculously poor behaved and show little respect for adults, teachers etc...

I have seen classroom video from my daughters freshman year of high school of shit going on and things said to teachers that would get you thrown out of school for a long time not very long ago.

So before everyone keeps throwing out the "its not 1964 or 1980" stuff you may want to ask if things are truly better as far as moral compass, respect etc...are all concerned.

I don't see it.

Hmm... where have I heard this shit before?

How about from EVERY generation's parents?

**kysirsoze** · 09-15-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

If you don't have the ability to see it yourself in society then you may be one of those people yourself.

Great argument.

Katipan · 09-15-2014, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

Maybe I'm crazy, but I have no problem seeing a stark difference between swatting a kids butt with an open palm and ripping a branch off of a tree and whipping him with it. I understand spanking isn't for everyone, but this all or nothing, black and white analysis of it doesn't add to the argument at all, IMO.

No you aren't crazy but a little unclear. Are you implying that I think there is no difference? I was responding to SNR being outraged but not.

Marcellus · 09-15-2014, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Interesting. Almost every school district has a policy of zero tolerance towards the students. There are literally a hundred threads you dig up on this site that state "school district suspends kid for...."

My class - in a parochial school no less - had tudents who smeared shit on the walls. Students who beat and intimidated other students. Students that showed outright disrespect for teachers.

No different than today.

Didn't happen in my school. Yea you had a few buttholes but very little disruptive behavior.

Of course I went to school in rural Kansas where switching was common.

**kysirsoze** · 09-15-2014, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Hmm... where have I heard this shit before?

How about from EVERY generation's parents?

No No THIS time it's for real. You're probably just a shithead that can't see the forest for all of the rude, spoiled shitheads.

**kysirsoze** · 09-15-2014, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan

No you aren't crazy but a little unclear. Are you implying that I think there is no difference? I was responding to SNR being outraged but not.

I was, only because that's how I interpreted your post, but it could have been a comprehension fail.

**RealSNR** · 09-15-2014, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Didn't happen in my school. Yea you had a few buttholes but very little disruptive behavior.

Of course I went to school in rural Kansas where switching was common.

Great. So now we see why anecdotal evidence proves nothing, right?

Your daughter's school is no more the standard for society than WilliamTheIrish's was however many years ago.

Marcellus · 09-15-2014, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Hmm... where have I heard this shit before?

How about from EVERY generation's parents?

Well you do realize that doesn't dispute my argument that we have become more liberal as a society over time and so these issues are getting worse.

Aside from advancements in technology and race relations, what exactly do you find better from a societal standpoint from 30-40 years ago?

Is it teen pregnancy? Underage drinking, or drug abuse? Divorce rate? Are those better or worse?

Katipan · 09-15-2014, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

I was, only because that's how I interpreted your post, but it could have been a comprehension fail.

I'm in the grey area that thinks it's icky to hit "except when..."

**kysirsoze** · 09-15-2014, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well you do realize that doesn't dispute my argument that we have become more liberal as a society over time and so these issues are getting worse.

Aside from advancements in technology and race relations, what exactly do you find better from a societal standpoint from 30-40 years ago?

Is it teen pregnancy? Underage drinking, or drug abuse? Divorce rate? Are those better or worse?

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html

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Key Trends Over Time
Childbearing. The rate of teen childbearing in the United States has fallen steeply since the late 1950s, from an all time high of 96 births per 1,000 women aged 15-19 in 1957 to an all time low of 49 in 2000 (see chart below). Birthrates fell steadily throughout the 1960s and 1970s; they were fairly steady in the early 1980s and then rose sharply between 1988 and 1991 before declining throughout the 1990s. In recent years, this downward trend has occurred among teens of all ages and races.

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