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Old 08-31-2014, 07:30 PM  
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Franchise QBs don't need a good team
To win in the playoffs and win the Superbowl. Where the hell did this myth come from?

Dan Marino never won a Superbowl, who does everyone blame? The team around him.

Steve Young didn't win a Superbowl until he had an All-star cast around him, offensively and defensively with Sanders joining the team for the 1994 Superbowl run.

Denver went out and signed Talib, Ward, and Ware, some of the best defenders in the league at their positions. But they have Peyton Manning, he makes everyone better, they didn't need to sign those guys to win the Superbowl, right?

New England went out and signed Revis and Browner. But they have Tom Brady, he doesn't need a great defense to win a Superbowl. Their FO clearly has no idea what he's doing wasting that money on those corners.

What is GB doing with signing Julius Peppers, trying to improve their defense with draft picks like Haha Clinton-Dix, and bringing in more WRs like Davante Adams? They have Aaron Rodgers, he clearly doesn't need the help, after all, he's a franchise QB. What are these crazy franchises doing?

Could it be possible that, no matter who your QB is, you need to surround him with at least a good supporting cast, that means OL, WR, RB, TE, defense, in order to have a real chance of winning the Superbowl? What a freaken concept, the idea that great teams win championships.

The point here is that the argument that Smith isn't very good because he needs a good supporting cast around him in order to win and have a real shot at the Superbowl is ignorant, at best. Give him a solid OL and solid receivers and he'll be as good as any QBs out there not named Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, or Drew Brees.

Right now Smith is trying to operate this offense with what might be the worst offensive line in the entire NFL combined with a bottom 5 receiving core. Yes, let's crucify him when he doesn't set the fantasy world on fire while playing behind this gem of an OL and with this "stellar" cast of WRs.

Quite frankly, unless the defense really surprises me, he'll have to play at least as good as Aaron Rodgers, at his best, can this season in order for us to have a shot at the playoffs much less a chance to win the division crown. Here's to hoping that Dorsey gets his head out of his ass and puts at least an average OL in front of Smith so that he doesn't have to run for his life after 2 seconds on virtually every play.
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Old 08-31-2014, 09:33 PM   #16
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I know this is a moron thread, but franchise quarterbacks have the capability to turn good teams into great teams. They allow you to win with less, because they elevate the play of everyone around them. That's why you want them. With a middle-of-the-road QB you have to be a great team across the board, they can't provide any individual lift and there's no margin for error on either side of the ball. One bad bounce can end everything. You'd think a fanbase that watched a decade of Marty Schottenheimer would understand that.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:00 PM   #17
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:10 PM   #18
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I know this is a moron thread, but franchise quarterbacks have the capability to turn good teams into great teams. They allow you to win with less, because they elevate the play of everyone around them. That's why you want them. With a middle-of-the-road QB you have to be a great team across the board, they can't provide any individual lift and there's no margin for error on either side of the ball. One bad bounce can end everything. You'd think a fanbase that watched a decade of Marty Schottenheimer would understand that.
Alex Smith turned a 2 win team into an 11 win team.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:12 PM   #19
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Alex Smith turned a 2 win team into an 11 win team.
Ironically, I would say Bob Sutton turned a 2 win team into an 11 win team. And he's even less popular than Smith.
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Alex Smith turned a 2 win team into an 11 win team.
No he ****ing didn't. JFC
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Alex Smith turned a 2 win team into an 11 win team.
Do you really believe this?

Really?

We won games last year where Alex passed for:

173
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And two more, separate games where the offense scored all of 17 points.

Yep. Six games that Alex won because he is teh bestest QB evar!
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:21 PM   #22
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Do you really believe this?

Really?

We won games last year where Alex passed for:

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And two more, separate games where the offense scored all of 17 points.

Yep. Six games that Alex won because he is teh bestest QB evar!
No, I don't really believe that.

Just being trollish.

I knew this team was much more talented than the two wins indicated, and that the coaching was far beyond inept.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:22 PM   #23
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No, I don't really believe that.

Just being trollish.

I knew this team was much more talented than the two wins indicated, and that the coaching was far beyond inept.
I was hoping thats all your comment was. don't scare me like that.
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Don't make me start a thread called "A mediocre QB is the best way to win a Super Bowl."
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Don't make me start a thread called "A mediocre QB is the best way to win a Super Bowl."
oh go for it. Its not like we have anything else to talk about this week.
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Don't make me start a thread called "A mediocre QB is the best way to win a Super Bowl."
What difference does the thread title make?
It's all the same shit, over and over.
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What difference does the thread title make?
It's all the same shit, over and over.
Which is why I didn't make a separate thread.
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good enough defense wins championships along with a QB that can make big plays when it matters. There's a ready that 90 percent of all qb's that won a superbowl in the last 25 or so years are headed to the Hall of Fame. There are 4 that aren't. Rypien, Dilfer, Johnson, Flacco. Wilson is still young in his career, he might. To early to tell.
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Both Flacco and Wilson can make big plays when it matters.

That's how Flacco GOT INTO THE DAMN SUPER BOWL TO BEGIN WITH. He aired one the **** out and boom, roasted.

Russell Wilson had the highest percentage of passes attempted over 20 yards of anyone last year.
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