Chiefs Trade G Rishaw Johnson To Buccaneers For S Kelcie McCray

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The talent cliff people panic about when our superstars leave is so ridiculously overblown. These superstars who have never won a playoff game.

If you keep drafting well and you free up money to invest in other superstars, those guys can be replaced. But you have to keep drafting well. And you know what, even if we keep our superstars, we have to draft well. So it all comes down to the draft. Did I mention that?

then don't ****ing trade two 2nd round picks for a 29 year old QB if you want to draft well.

tank, and use your draft picks. Stop cap strapping this team with a bunch of 28/29 year old veterans that provide nothing. Don't give a 29 year old WR 50 ****ing million.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

then don't ****ing trade two 2nd round picks for a 29 year old QB if you want to draft well.

tank, and use your draft picks. Stop cap strapping this team with a bunch of 28/29 year old veterans that provide nothing. Don't give a 29 year old WR 50 ****ing million.

The 2013 draft, and this draft, should have been about maximizing your draft resourses.

Trade the 1st overall for the best package you can get, even if you don't get market value because the draft sucks.

Trade down early and often, and get as many picks as you can to build with.

We ain't winning shit for at least 3 years from now with the approach that was taken.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

then don't ****ing trade two 2nd round picks for a 29 year old QB if you want to draft well.

tank, and use your draft picks. Stop cap strapping this team with a bunch of 28/29 year old veterans that provide nothing. Don't give a 29 year old WR 50 ****ing million.

Yeah, let's see you purposefully tank seasons with your job on the line.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yeah, let's see you purposefully tank seasons with your job on the line.

If Dorsey decided not to sign all those shit ****ers, is that "purposeful tanking"?

It was a mistake to make a push for the playoffs so goddamn soon. ****, it's hard to even believe Dorsey had playoffs on the brain after taking over a 2-14 team. In most circumstances the team would have improved to 8-8 or so, which seemed to be Dorsey's goal given the parameters of the Alex Smith trade.

So he wanted to **** over our salary cap for one year of 8-8 and then fade into the distance with a cap-strapped team and very little in terms of star players?

That was pure dumbassery.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by SNR

If Dorsey decided not to sign all those shit ****ers, is that "purposeful tanking"?

It was a mistake to make a push for the playoffs so goddamn soon. ****, it's hard to even believe Dorsey had playoffs on the brain after taking over a 2-14 team. In most circumstances the team would have improved to 8-8 or so, which seemed to be Dorsey's goal given the parameters of the Alex Smith trade.

So he wanted to **** over our salary cap for one year of 8-8 and then fade into the distance with a cap-strapped team and very little in terms of star players?

That was pure dumbassery.

Read the post that I responded to. Mcaj said, specifically, that you should tank. No team, unless they are the Colts and Andrew Luck is going to be in the next draft, is going to tank on purpose. (Look how well that worked out for Jim Caldwell as HC of the Colts in 2011.)

This is a win now league, very few coaches, if any, are allowed the luxury of building their roster slowly over several seasons these days. Unless you have Jerry Jones' backing you like he has backed Jason Garrett, you can't afford to have mediocre seasons in order to have higher draft picks.

You would lose your job before you could do anything with those high picks that you tanked for.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Read the post that I responded to. Mcaj said, specifically, that you should tank. No team, unless they are the Colts and Andrew Luck is going to be in the next draft, is going to tank on purpose. (Look how well that worked out for Jim Caldwell as HC of the Colts in 2011.)

This is a win now league, very few coaches, if any, are allowed the luxury of building their roster slowly over several seasons these days. Unless you have Jerry Jones' backing you like he has backed Jason Garrett, you can't afford to have mediocre seasons in order to have higher draft picks.

You would lose your job before you could do anything with those high picks that you tanked for.

After Hunt just bought out Pioli's expensive-ass contract, hand-picked his own head coach, and also signed the dotted line on his new GM? You're telling me that one season of cleaning house, collecting better draft picks, and saving cap room would have resulted in Dorsey/Reid being fired?

There was ZERO pressure to win now. The Chiefs were going to improve regardless of what they did. Fans were going to support the team.

They didn't have to sign Fasano and Sean Smith. They shouldn't have given expensive contracts to Colquitt and Bowe.

We're now suffering through their irresponsible mistakes when we SHOULD be loading up.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by SNR

After Hunt just bought out Pioli's expensive-ass contract, hand-picked his own head coach, and also signed the dotted line on his new GM? You're telling me that one season of cleaning house, collecting better draft picks, and saving cap room would have resulted in Dorsey/Reid being fired?

There was ZERO pressure to win now. The Chiefs were going to improve regardless of what they did. Fans were going to support the team.

They didn't have to sign Fasano and Sean Smith. They shouldn't have given expensive contracts to Colquitt and Bowe.

We're now suffering through their irresponsible mistakes when we SHOULD be loading up.

Suffering from an 11-5 season? I'm sure that the Browns fans and Raiders fans would love to suffer like that. You act like this team has absolutely no shot of getting to the playoffs.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Suffering from an 11-5 season? I'm sure that the Browns fans and Raiders fans would love to suffer like that.

Raiders have won a SB in the last 40 years.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SNR

After Hunt just bought out Pioli's expensive-ass contract, hand-picked his own head coach, and also signed the dotted line on his new GM? You're telling me that one season of cleaning house, collecting better draft picks, and saving cap room would have resulted in Dorsey/Reid being fired?

There was ZERO pressure to win now. The Chiefs were going to improve regardless of what they did. Fans were going to support the team.

They didn't have to sign Fasano and Sean Smith. They shouldn't have given expensive contracts to Colquitt and Bowe.

We're now suffering through their irresponsible mistakes when we SHOULD be loading up.

I don't agree about the no pressure.people were flying banners and they were coming off the worst stretch of football in the franchise history, or close to it.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

I don't agree about the no pressure.people were flying banners and they were coming off the worst stretch of football in the franchise history, or close to it.

Tell that to Dorsey. He's the one who thinks 8-8 was an appropriate benchmark.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by O.city

I don't agree about the no pressure.people were flying banners and they were coming off the worst stretch of football in the franchise history, or close to it.

SNR is a fool if he thought that there was no pressure to have a complete turn around last season.

There is a reason why Dorsey & Hunt went after the veteran head coach with a history of winning and dealing with tragedy and a veteran QB who was himself no stranger to adversity, was part of a major turn around, and was one of the winningest QBs since 2011. The franchise needed and wanted a successful 2013 season, which Smith and Reid delivered.

If we were rebuilding, Hali, Alex Smith, Fasano, Sean Smith, and Bowe wouldn't be here. No way they would have been willing to trade 2 2nd round picks for Alex Smith if they thought we couldn't win with just a few tweaks in the current roster.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

If Dorsey decided not to sign all those shit ****ers, is that "purposeful tanking"?

It was a mistake to make a push for the playoffs so goddamn soon. ****, it's hard to even believe Dorsey had playoffs on the brain after taking over a 2-14 team. In most circumstances the team would have improved to 8-8 or so, which seemed to be Dorsey's goal given the parameters of the Alex Smith trade.

So he wanted to **** over our salary cap for one year of 8-8 and then fade into the distance with a cap-strapped team and very little in terms of star players?

That was pure dumbassery.

Same situation as what Herm Edwards inherited. Only Herm sledgehammered the team, Dorsey is trying to make the rebuild less painful. The fault is of the previous regimes to fill the team up with young talent. Maybe we forgot that Dorsey has pretty much ridded the team of most of Pioli's players. He gutted almost half of the roster.

I guess the Chiefs could have chosen to not replace those guys and tanked… a year after "save our chiefs" I don't see that happening. Or they could have just held on to Pioli's guys and gradually let them go. If we drafted Geno last year, that would have been a 3-year process too. No matter what scenario you present, there was only one scenario where we're competitive in 2014. That's a scenario where we spent 2 years spending out our ass in a "win now" strategy. I don't want to see that. If this offseason is how we're going to start running things, I'm much more pleased with that direction.