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Kansas Supreme Court Overturns Carr Brothers' Death Sentences
If you will recall, there was quite a long thread of discussion on CP when these scumbags were on trial. The story is truly disgusting. Wish I could find the original thread. Updated: Fri 10:45 AM, Jul 25, 2014 TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) -- The Kansas Supreme Court has overturned the death sentences of two brothers convicted of capital murder in the shooting deaths of four people whose bodies were found in a snow-covered Wichita soccer field in 2000. The state Supreme Court on Friday also struck down three of the four capital murder conviction each against Jonathan and Reginald Carr. But it upheld one capital murder conviction each. Their cases will return to Sedgwick County District Court for further hearings and a new sentencing. The court's majority overturned the death sentences because, it said, the presiding judge failed to have separate proceedings for each brother. In overturning most of the capital convictions, the majority said the instructions to jurors were flawed. Posted by Greg Palmer http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/K...#disqus_thread |
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07-26-2014, 03:32 PM | #61 | |
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07-27-2014, 10:24 AM | #62 |
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One thing I could never understand is why those 5 people never resisted. If 2 armed men burst into you home and 3 men and 2 women was there would you not at some time attempt to resist. During the time they were going through your stuff, during the sexual assaults, during the drives to the ATM's, on the way to the soccer field. Usually it's hard for two people to control 5 people. I wasn't there and I don't mean to be unsympathetic but does anybody have any knowledge they could shine on this?
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07-27-2014, 10:50 AM | #64 |
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"The system should give you thirty days to get your affairs in order and then you're dead. Period"
Why? They didn't give their victims that courtesy. |
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Your thirty days system is also really bad. If the prosecutor hides exculpatory evidence, what happens when the state executes an innocent person? There is a reason for the Innocence Project. The prosecutor isn't liable thanks to immunity, the cops aren't liable thanks to immunity, the state is and that is money coming from the taxpayers. The fact that you are okay with executing innocent people, studies have shown probably about 4% of people on death row are innocent, including people who were innocent that were executed like Cameron Todd Willingham, Joesph Roger O'Dell III in which the state had evidence destroyed that probably would of proved him innocent, and Johnny Garrett which DNA evidence proved was innocent. So we can't trust the justice system to be competent much less uncorrupt, we know innocent people have been executed, the prosecutors and police are not held liable when they railroad people, and you want to make the process of execution quicker? What reality are you living in that makes that moral? |
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07-27-2014, 11:11 AM | #66 |
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Because as much as I believe people convicted in this hypothetical scenario and sentenced to death are scum, that doesn't mean every member of their family is scum. I know it's not exactly fair because their victims aren't given a choice, but that is a situation outside of the judicial systems control. Allowing the family of a convicted murderer the opportunity to make sure any legal/financial affairs are in order is something that can be controlled.
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07-27-2014, 11:20 AM | #67 | |
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I'm fine with DNA analysis being done by an independent firm and both the prosecution and defense are only allowed to use that firms findings. That sounds reasonable. The fact remains that there are many cases where the person's guilt is not in question, but they are allowed to appeal for years over trivial things just to stay alive. In these cases, where guilt is not in question, there should be no appeals allowed and death should be quick. |
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07-27-2014, 11:39 AM | #68 | |
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Because we know prosecutors will never put an expert on the stand that isn't an expert but says what the prosecutors want. Sorry, as long as prosecutors get almost total immunity they can not be trusted to do the right thing. We have to assume that prosecutors are trying to game the system and a death penalty conviction is a huge boon to the prosecutors credibility and future political considerations. |
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07-27-2014, 11:55 AM | #69 | |
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The second link is irrelevant. I never mentioned any testimony by medical examiners as a reason for no appeals and quick execution. It seems to me you are arguing that the death penalty should never be used. If that's the case and you feel scumbags like the Carr brothers deserve to appeal their case for 15 years while they sit in jail, then we are never going to agree. |
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07-27-2014, 12:50 PM | #71 |
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It's not a popular stance but the fact is no system is perfect and I will take the risk of a very small number of people being executed wrongly vs this bullshit.
Not always but typically most people wrongly convicted of capital crime already have a lengthy criminal history. Not always I understand. It's simply a matter of the greater good concept. There are always sacrifices to be made and that has been true since the dawn of time. |
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