Do you think the NFL is "rigged?"

[cosmo20002]

Pretty simple question: Do you think the NFL is "rigged?"

Specifically, do you believe the NFL has a preferred outcome for games AND orders its officiating crews to make calls for/against teams for the purpose of achieving that preferred outcome?

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Contrarian

Bullshit! That hit he put on Decker was a legal play. Shoulder to shoulder.

Even in real time you could see that. But after one consults the Manning Doctrine, it becomes illegal. Without a doubt, Pollard's rep had something to do with it too... But honestly that wasn't even the worst call. The worst one was a defensive holding call that bailed Denver out and led to the game tying TD. It was a total game-changer. Instead of punting deep in their own territory, they were awarded a 1st down and scored a few plays later. Momentum had shifted. Who knows what could have happened had they been forced to punt to a Tennessee team with the lead that was moving the ball and could have possibly gone up by 14 at half? More times than not it's when the calls happen more so than the calls themselves. If the refs make that particular call all the time, they might as well not even allow DB's on the field.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

I suppose I am assuming they are reviewing but I guess they could be lying to us. Although I don't recall seeing a close play in the last minutes where I thought they should review and didn't.

Right. I'm not suggesting that they don't review every play, we just don't have any verifiable proof that they do.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

It's not banning the teams from challenging--they don't need to challenge because it is reviewed automatically. And it allows teams to use a challenge earlier in the game rather than save it to the end. The end result is more plays being reviewed.

As for the Pats PI call, it probably shouldn't have been called, but it wasn't outrageous. The defender had his hands on the receivers's back and both were falling forward. Definetely could have looked like he pushed him and caused him to fall. It's at the point where every questionable judgment call you guys are saying is proof of the game being rigged.

Not allowing them to challenge is actually banning. The part where they add "because they don't need to" is junk and we all know it. And the added layer of bullshit because they all are is just maggot frosting on a fat turd cake! Oh, and the added incentive of being told that they're doing so they can challenge more in the other 56 minutes is the sqyishing of the maggot eggs into the turd! What it really means is, "OK, we'll give in and let question a limited number of select kinds of action in 56 minutes of the game, but those other four minutes are ours, and we can do what we want with them. And to make you feel better we'll announce that we review all plays in those four minutes (cough cough), and we'll buy your loyalty by reviewing all scoring plays. Caesar has spoken!!!"

Your point about the Pats call isn't without some merit, but history has shown us that far more often than not, Brady's kids get those calls while other QBs "haven't earned that level of respect from the officials." I won't argue that, like Manning and Breese, Brady can do wonderful things with a ball, but it doesn't mean that the same plays aren't called their team's way because they're that accurate a passer.

As for saying "rigged" I think I cleared up my view that "rigged" IMO isn't a choreographed dance for all 60 minutes, it's setting-up/manufacturing favorable situations, at key times, using the rules to aid in the effort, to make sure the darlings of the league are placed into the right games to aid ratings and maximize profit. And they know that a large cross-section of the country will buy-off on the claim that "the job is hard" and "the game is fast", but never say, "yeah, we know, so use more of the technology that's available to help you get it right then."

And if what they're doing out of the goodness of their hearts in those four minutes is what you say it is, why not do it for all 60 minutes and allows for the teams to use there for all 60 too. And allow them to question almost anything that was missed. Holds, OPI, DPI, pushing off, lining up in the neutral zone, center's moving the ball, O-linemen moving ofter they come set, at a minimum not being still for that proper amount of time before the snap, "simulating the snap" with overt body gestures or screams. You know, all the stuff... You'd only get three!

But alas, it is what it is.

[Backwards Masking]

Billions of dollars are legally and illegally changing hands every Sunday. Millions, millions more on Thursday and Monday nights.

Believing it's not rigged to any extent is like believing in Santa Claus. It's cute, but stupid.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

And if what they're doing out of the goodness of their hearts in those four minutes is what you say it is, why not do it for all 60 minutes and allows for the teams to use there for all 60 too. And allow them to question almost anything that was missed. Holds, OPI, DPI, pushing off, lining up in the neutral zone, center's moving the ball, O-linemen moving ofter they come set, at a minimum not being still for that proper amount of time before the snap, "simulating the snap" with overt body gestures or screams. You know, all the stuff... You'd only get three!

Technically, they could do that. Make everything and anything reviewable.
But as a practical matter, at some point you have to cut it off. Games would take 6 hours. I would like to see PI reviewed since it can be such a big call. But even then, it can come down to a judgment call, especially if "was the ball catchable" is an issue.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Technically, they could do that. Make everything and anything reviewable.
But as a practical matter, at some point you have to cut it off. Games would take 6 hours. I would like to see PI reviewed since it can be such a big call. But even then, it can come down to a judgment call, especially if "was the ball catchable" is an issue.

I know, for the sake of time, lets' not get it right and leave it in the hands of those motivated primarily by money and revenue.

That being said, you get to review the plays per half, that's six plays per half for both teams, 12 plays per game. At two minutes, that 24 minutes of review time.

Hell, let me play devils advocate, that's give these greedy whores more commercial time. We should tell them that and they might stop and listen! But the truth is, since there's a hold on every play, the opposing teams's first three scores would be eliminated. So we can't have that happen.

I guess all I'm really wanting is that some common-sense return to the league. I played defense, and the Chiefs (unlike the 2003 time frame) are a defensive team - at least until recently. I'm just looking for the league to not hate on the one aspect of the game we were excelling in. And missed calls on the Hali hold need to lead to something more than the nothing that came of it in the league.

I think they look the other way on those for two main reason, A) it helps to protect the QB [usually one of the most expensive play of the 22 on the field, and the clear leader of either squad], and B) to increase scoring [yeah, each of those holds results in time for the QB to possibly work their magic with the ball (whomever the QB is)]. I think they could counter the QB injury thing with going with the touch-rule providing balance to a somewhat unrelated tuck rule. IOW, save the QB by making him being touched resulting in him being down. Make it interesting my calling that rule in effect when he's "in the tackle box" - that way these new fangled "running QBs" can run. Oh, and my other rule is, there is no slide! That's gay, and always has been --- run at your own risk (or don't run)!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Technically, they could do that. Make everything and anything reviewable.
But as a practical matter, at some point you have to cut it off. Games would take 6 hours. I would like to see PI reviewed since it can be such a big call. But even then, it can come down to a judgment call, especially if "was the ball catchable" is an issue.

Technically every play in college is reviewed and those games don't take significantly longer.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Technically every play in college is reviewed and those games don't take significantly longer.

I'm not sure if that's true, but I don't think they review penalties. I really doubt they review for holding and interference.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

I'm not sure if that's true, but I don't think they review penalties. I really doubt they review for holding and interference.

They don't review penalties no. But they do review every executed play. My point was that they're review 10-15 times as many plays in any given game vs. the NFL and the games didn't get dramatically longer.

[NinerDoug]

It would be too much of a scandal if it ever broke. Extremely unlikely.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

They don't review penalties no. But they do review every executed play. My point was that they're review 10-15 times as many plays in any given game vs. the NFL and the games didn't get dramatically longer.

If that's true, then I'd say there's no reason not to review every play. However, on most plays, there's really no issue and the coaches challenges are enough. Between coach challenges, scoring & turnovers (always reviewed) and the last two mintues, that covers a lot of stuff.

The problem, and the thing most of the "its rigged" people mention, are the penalties, especially calls/noncalls on holding and PI. Even college doesn't do that. That does seem like it would take awhile, especially if you're checking each player for holding after the play.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

If that's true, then I'd say there's no reason not to review every play. However, on most plays, there's really no issue and the coaches challenges are enough. Between coach challenges, scoring & turnovers (always reviewed) and the last two mintues, that covers a lot of stuff.

The problem, and the thing most of the "its rigged" people mention, are the penalties, especially calls/noncalls on holding and PI. Even college doesn't do that. That does seem like it would take awhile, especially if you're checking each player for holding after the play.

The egregious penalty is certainly PI. The difference between college and the pros couldn't be more stark.

In college, PI is a strategy for the DEFENSE to prevent a sure score.
In the pros, PI is a strategy for the OFFENSE to setup a sure score.

[scho63]

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Minnesota Viking’s running back Adrian Peterson was seemingly blowing off steam when he criticized NFL officials on Twitter after a 29-26 loss against Baltimore on Sunday.

Upon further review, even the NFL thought Peterson had a point.

Vikings coach Leslie Frazier said the NFL contacted him on Monday to discuss the officiating that occurred against Baltimore. It is common for coaches to contact the league each week about questionable calls, but rare when they receive an unsolicited call.

"It was a good conversation," Frazier said, via 1500ESPN.com. "The fact that they called should give you an indication of how they felt about things on that day. That was encouraging that they wanted to talk about that game from yesterday."
"It's happened twice this season."
What is all the fuss about?

Ray Frager of CSNBaltimore.com pinpointed three questionable calls by officials on Sunday. Watch the videos and draw your own conclusions:

1. Vikings running back Toby Gerhart fumbled on a rushing attempt in the first quarter, and Baltimore’s Matt Elam recovered. Gerhart’s knee was down before the fumble, but the play was upheld after an official replay. Baltimore scored four plays later.

2. Vikings guard Joe Berger was called for an illegal block on linebacker Daryl Smith during a run by Cordarrelle Patterson. Berger seemingly maintained contact with Smith before he dropped low, and instead of first down on the 2-yard line, Minnesota faced third-and-24 from the 35. The Vikings settled for a field goal.

3. Vikings linebacker Chad Greenway was called for pass interference on Ravens tight end Dennis Pitta with 32 seconds remaining the game. The call wiped out what would have been a game-ending interception by Andrew Sendejo. Even though Greenway had contact with Pitta, it appeared the tight end slipped on his own. And even if Greenway did inhibit Pitta, it may have come before the ball was in the air, which would have resulted in a 5-yard illegal contact call, and the ball would have been on the Vikings’ 40-yard line. Instead, Joe Flacco hit Marlon Brown in the back of the end zone three players later for the game-winning touchdown, a 9-yard score with four seconds remaining.

The NFL has been heavily criticized for its officiating this season, and Minnesota has at least three good reasons to be frustrated about Sunday. Frazier took the high road and did not criticize the officiating, but it is easy to understand why the NFL contacted him on Monday.

And easier to understand Peterson’s frustrations.

[Gadzooks]

Originally Posted by scho63

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Minnesota Viking’s running back Adrian Peterson was seemingly blowing off steam when he criticized NFL officials on Twitter after a 29-26 loss against Baltimore on Sunday.

Upon further review, even the NFL thought Peterson had a point.

Who wants to bet against the Ravens being the 6th seed?!? (you'd be betting against the powers of the NFL...)

[redshirt32]

to say the refs are stupid and making dumb calls....... oh there not stupid they know exactly what they are doing!

They are giving the favored team better chances to win the game

Can we prove it probably never The Refs have family too they will never talk