Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again.

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

#5 overall
#3 overall
#11 overall

with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-10-2012, 11:29 AM

Its not the talent its the coaching. PUKE

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 11:30 AM

Dorsey will be gone after this season.

What they need to ****ing do is start getting Poe snaps at DE and Powe snaps at NT.

This regime is so deadset on not admitting mistakes that they're setting back this franchise.

**Rausch** · 09-10-2012, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Dorsey will be gone after this season.

What they need to ****ing do is start getting Poe snaps at DE and Powe snaps at NT.

I would LOVE this...

Xanathol · 09-10-2012, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump

Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed.

You fail at football.

Sorter · 10-29-2012, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanathol

You fail at football.

Your idiocy astounds me.

Mr. Laz · 09-10-2012, 11:31 AM

3-4 2 gap system

the Dline is NEVER going to look impactful unless you get lucky and grab a Reggie White.

the scheme is meant to unleash the linebackers

it's also meant to blitz

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

3-4 2 gap system

the Dline is NEVER going to look impactful unless you get lucky and grab a Reggie White.

the scheme is meant to unleash the linebackers

it's also meant to blitz

but this team has been built around the d-line. That's the franchise right now.

Ask yourself this question. Do you see any noticable difference in how our defense performs when our backups are in on the d-line? the backups that were street free agents or late round picks?

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump

but this team has been built around the d-line. That's the franchise right now.

Ask yourself this question. Do you see any noticable difference in how our defense performs when our backups are in on the d-line? the backups that were street free agents or late round picks?

The d-line was better yesterday than it was with Kelly Gregg. I thought the d-line looked better than ever yesterday. Tyson Jackson looked nasty for the first time.

Also, NT is far and away the most important position in the 3-4 defense and we have never really had one until this year.

Look at the Giants. They were built around the d-line. The pats d-lines were great when they won Superbowls. The steelers had good d-lines. The colts had a great d-line. Having a good d-line is a piece to the puzzle.

htismaqe · 09-10-2012, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob

The d-line was better yesterday than it was with Kelly Gregg. I thought the d-line looked better than ever yesterday. Tyson Jackson looked nasty for the first time.

Also, NT is far and away the most important position in the 3-4 defense and we have never really had one until this year.

Look at the Giants. They were built around the d-line. The pats d-lines were great when they won Superbowls. The steelers had good d-lines. The colts had a great d-line. Having a good d-line is a piece to the puzzle.

What you fail to address is that all of those teams were built around ONE first-round guy (if that).

The Giants got their guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The Pats had Seymour but Wilfork was taken at the back of the first. The Steelers have a couple of guys from the late 1st but nobody in the top 10. And their top passrusher was an undrafted FA. Outside of Freeny at #11 overall, the Colts didn't invest top draft picks in linemen.

What do most of those teams have in common? When they had a top 10 (or even top 5) pick, they took a QUARTERBACK.

We've spent so many top draft picks on linemen that we're woefully thin on top-tier talent elsewhere.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

What you fail to address is that all of those teams were built around ONE first-round guy (if that).

The Giants got their guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The Pats had Seymour but Wilfork was taken at the back of the first. The Steelers have a couple of guys from the late 1st but nobody in the top 10. And their top passrusher was an undrafted FA. Outside of Freeny at #11 overall, the Colts didn't invest top draft picks in linemen.

What do most of those teams have in common? When they had a top 10 (or even top 5) pick, they took a QUARTERBACK.

We've spent so many top draft picks on linemen that we're woefully thin on top-tier talent elsewhere.

Bad post. Who were we supposed to take with any of those top 10 picks at QB? By your logic, we would have Sanchez and Weeden over Jackson and Poe. That's just not better off imo.

Frankie · 09-10-2012, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

3-4 2 gap system

the Dline is NEVER going to look impactful unless you get lucky and grab a Reggie White.

the scheme is meant to unleash the linebackers

it's also meant to blitz

To unleash the LBs shouldn't the DEs at least occupy more than just one guy on the opposing offense? Our DEs don't seem to do that. Every time there's a one to one stalemate between our DEs and the other guys we have lost the battle.

tk13 · 09-10-2012, 11:32 AM

The D-line is important. The idea of spending 1st round picks on it isn't crazy. However, when the Pats did it they got guys like Seymour and Wilfork. The Chiefs haven't.
Posted via Mobile Device

Mr. Laz · 09-10-2012, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

The D-line is important. The idea of spending 1st round picks on it isn't crazy. However, when the Pats did it they got guys like Seymour and Wilfork. The Chiefs haven't.
Posted via Mobile Device

it isn't crazy but it's very difficult

If you don't get an elite,elite guy you end up with much the same production as you would with 'just a guy'

**the Talking Can** · 09-10-2012, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

The D-line is important. The idea of spending 1st round picks on it isn't crazy. However, when the Pats did it they got guys like Seymour and Wilfork. The Chiefs haven't.
Posted via Mobile Device

this

which just means first round picks have to be impact players, scheme be damned

you can't justify spending 3 top eleven picks on the DL if all they have to do is stop the run..you can justify spending a first round pick on JJ Watts

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM	Topic Starter
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $1845105	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
Posts: 32,642

09-10-2012, 11:29 AM	#2
L.A. Chieffan PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: American Gardens Building Casino cash: $3938654	Its not the talent its the coaching. PUKE
Posts: 17,368

09-10-2012, 11:31 AM	#7
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	3-4 2 gap system the Dline is NEVER going to look impactful unless you get lucky and grab a Reggie White. the scheme is meant to unleash the linebackers it's also meant to blitz __________________
Posts: 95,626

09-10-2012, 11:32 AM	#13
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1612500	The D-line is important. The idea of spending 1st round picks on it isn't crazy. However, when the Pats did it they got guys like Seymour and Wilfork. The Chiefs haven't. Posted via Mobile Device
Posts: 55,024

09-10-2012, 11:30 AM	#3
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2715047	Dorsey will be gone after this season. What they need to ****ing do is start getting Poe snaps at DE and Powe snaps at NT. This regime is so deadset on not admitting mistakes that they're setting back this franchise.
Posts: 92,303