Bucky Brooks Mock Draft 1.0

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Hockenson just doesn't have the overall pedigree, particularly measurables, that Fant has. Hockenson is a dynamic player but he's more of an H-back. Fant has the ability to be Travis Kelce.

For this team, Hockenson might make more sense as a complimentary piece but if you want a complete, top-tier tight end for the next 10 years, one that can do everything well, that guy is Noah Fant IMO.

See I view Fant as more of the H-back type and Hockenson as a far better long-term blocker and in-line player.

I'd take Irv Smith over either of them though...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

That’s not a bad thought dj

But say one of those offensive guys is there at our pick. Say, Noah Fant.

Would you take him?

If Fant were there, I think you'd have to consider it. He has the potential to be great. There's really no gaps in his game. He's long, runs good routes, blocks well, he's a prototypical TE.

That being said, I really want a DB in the first. Adderley is my pick but I like Baker a lot too.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

If Fant were there, I think you'd have to consider it. He has the potential to be great. There's really no gaps in his game. He's long, runs good routes, blocks well, he's a prototypical TE.

That being said, I really want a DB in the first. Adderley is my pick but I like Baker a lot too.

I'm at the point where I don't really care who it is, as long as it's a good player and not some crazy project.

Ideally it's a CB or a LB'er or safety. But if some top of the line prospect falls because other teams are stupid, pounce on him.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm at the point where I don't really care who it is, as long as it's a good player and not some crazy project.

Ideally it's a CB or a LB'er or safety. But if some top of the line prospect falls because other teams are stupid, pounce on him.

I don't really want to see them take an ILB early. And definitely not on board with spending high picks on offensive line or RB.

Other than that, I'm down for about anything. Would could use DL, DE, LB, S, CB, WR, TE in about any combination.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't really want to see them take an ILB early. And definitely not on board with spending high picks on offensive line or RB.

Other than that, I'm down for about anything. Would could use DL, DE, LB, S, CB, WR, TE in about any combination.

I'd be good with an ILB because I think that's the premium spot on defenses these days in order for the d to be good.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

That’s not a bad thought dj

But say one of those offensive guys is there at our pick. Say, Noah Fant.

Would you take him?

I watched the AFCCG again and I really think if we had Kareem Hunt, we would have scored in the first half. Patriots didn’t care about our rushing attack bc it want good. I like Damien Williams, but he’s best suited as a 3rd down back.

Think we all agree that the focus is helping our pieces around Mahomes. I think those pieces should revolve around stopping the run and running the ball.

Doubtful it happens, but I would definitely consider Josh Jacobs at 29 assuming that the board is bare bc all of the defensive players we want are gone.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I watched the AFCCG again and I really think if we had Kareem Hunt, we would have scored in the first half. Patriots didn’t care about our rushing attack bc it want good. I like Damien Williams, but he’s best suited as a 3rd down back.

Think we all agree that the focus is helping our pieces around Mahomes. I think those pieces should revolve around stopping the run and running the ball.

Doubtful it happens, but I would definitely consider Josh Jacobs at 29 assuming that the board is bare bc all of the defensive players we want are gone.

I wouldn't take him there even if everyone was gone. It's just not valuable enough.

I think Williams is a good RB option, screen game, etc. But he's not really a tackle breaking dude like Hunt was. They need that.

[staylor26]

That would be tempting but there’s just too many needs on defense

[O.city]

Yeah, I just don't know about having him inside. I'd prefer him outside but with that him and DOD are a bit redundant so they're probably putting Hitch inside.

[htismaqe]

We have other slammer possibilities named Williams already on the roster. If they spend a high draft pick on a RB, that's just dumb. This team has needs at every level of the defense, WR, and offensive line before they should even think about another RB. They're a dime a dozen.

[O.city]

Yeah, if you want to take one in the 3rd or something, have at it. It's just not worth that high of a pick I don't think.

It seems teams take one high thinking he's the last piece but it just allows other holes to open up.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, if you want to take one in the 3rd or something, have at it. It's just not worth that high of a pick I don't think.

It seems teams take one high thinking he's the last piece but it just allows other holes to open up.

RB is exactly the kind of position you target a little later at this point since the position has become devalued.

I mean if Saquon or his ilk falls then you're looking at a guy who's such a screaming bargain that you take him. But even when RBs were considered high-end commodities, a player like Jacobs wouldn't go more than a few picks higher than he's likely going to go now. Maybe he goes in the high teens/early 20s if this draft were done 15 years ago?

Taking him a few picks after where he'd go at 'peak value' isn't a significant enough adjustment, IMO. Maybe I'm just wrong on his value - maybe he's a top 5-10 guy when RBs were still as highly sought after and that the only reason he'd fall to us in the late 20s would be the market adjusting so we should take him to try to stay ahead of the market. But what I see there is an upright runner with above average but not elite speed and solid but unspectacular lateral agility. His hands are...fine, his acceleration is good but not great. He's a very well rounded big back and those are nice guys to have but on this team at this time I just can't see a desperate need for that skill set. Honestly...I kinda see Fournette in him and that's just not been a recipe for success of late.

I just don't think he alters the team's trajectory significantly.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

RB is exactly the kind of position you target a little later at this point since the position has become devalued.

I mean if Saquon or his ilk falls then you're looking at a guy who's such a screaming bargain that you take him. But even when RBs were considered high-end commodities, a player like Jacobs wouldn't go more than a few picks higher than he's likely going to go now. Maybe he goes in the high teens/early 20s if this draft were done 15 years ago?

Taking him a few picks after where he'd go at 'peak value' isn't a significant enough adjustment, IMO. Maybe I'm just wrong on his value - maybe he's a top 5-10 guy when RBs were still as highly sought after and that the only reason he'd fall to us in the late 20s would be the market adjusting so we should take him to try to stay ahead of the market. But what I see there is an upright runner with above average but not elite speed and solid but unspectacular lateral agility. His hands are...fine, his acceleration is good but not great. He's a very well rounded big back and those are nice guys to have but on this team at this time I just can't see a desperate need for that skill set. Honestly...I kinda see Fournette in him and that's just not been a recipe for success of late.

I just don't think he alters the team's trajectory significantly.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like you could find a guy that can put his head down and get 3 yards every play in every draft.

If you want a RB for this current offense, you need (sigh, **** we had him here already) a Kareem Hunt type guy that has great vision and balance.

I think Williams is a little Kamara light in that he can catch it and is good in the open field. He's not great there but good enough.

If you want to add the next dimension to this offense, probably going to have to draft a C or LG early or look for a WR or another TE. Rb just isn't the place to go.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, if you want to take one in the 3rd or something, have at it. It's just not worth that high of a pick I don't think.

It seems teams take one high thinking he's the last piece but it just allows other holes to open up.

I wouldn't take a RB higher than the 4th. Those first 3 rounds need to be instant starters, preferably on defense.

I get that people think RB is a need - it isn't. They're committed, both contractually and playing time-wise, to Williams.

[DJ's left nut]

I really think the biggest offensive game-changer this team could add would be a big-time TE.

You want to see this run game take a step forward, allow us to play 75% of the time in 12 personnel. The team plays so much from the shotgun that it's hard to incorporate the FB as much without telegraphing what you're doing or fundamentally altering the character and timing of the offense by working under center.

But when you're in 12 personnel, you essentially have the modern day 'pro set' by having that extra blocker in there, he's just there in the form of a TE instead of a FB. And with as much motion as we run, you could effectively have him blocking from the backfield if you wanted.

The best way (schematically) for this running game to be truly dangerous would be to make it more powerful and less predictable. The only way to do both of those things is with a TE that is a plus run-blocker and dangerous in the pattern. That would allow us to come out in 12 personnel most of the time and give opposing defenses no obvious tells. To me the best combination of those traits is probably Hockenson but I think Smith is potentially so dynamic in the pattern that merely credible as a run-blocker and terrifying as a pass-catcher puts him ahead of the Iowa kids.