Chris Simms: Tyreek Hill #1 WR in the NFL

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at all the Packers fans crying because Davante Adams didn't make his top 10. Video marked at Tyreek Hill discussion.

[staylor26]

I have to admit, Adams not being in the top 10 is pretty bad. He’s really ****ing good.

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I have to admit, Adams not being in the top 10 is pretty bad.

Chris bases his stuff off film. He's a film junky. When i watch Adams i don't see anything particularly special either. I see another Big-bodied receiver that has to win contested catches because he doesn't separate well.

You can watch catches by Adams and go, "Tyreek Hill houses that one" "OBJ would take that too the house" etc.

Chris puts an emphasis on game changing type talent with rare physical traits. Adams aint that.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Chris bases his stuff off film. He's a film junky. When i watch Adams i don't see anything particularly special either. I see another Big-bodied receiver that has to win contested catches because he doesn't separate well.

You can watch catches by Adams and go, "Tyreek Hill houses that one" "OBJ would take that too the house" etc.

Chris puts an emphasis on game changing type talent with rare physical traits. Adams aint that.

I’m basing this on film as well. I don’t give a **** about stats.

Davante Adams is a top 10 WR by ever measure dude. Just looking at the list, there’s no way you can tell me that Green, Cooper, and OBJ have been better the last couple years. Green and OBJ haven’t done dick, and Cooper doesn’t even show up half of the time.

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m basing this on film as well. I don’t give a **** about stats.

Davante Adams is a top 10 WR by ever measure dude. Just looking at the list, there’s no way you can tell me that Green, Cooper, and OBJ have been better the last couple years. Green and OBJ haven’t done dick, and Cooper doesn’t even show up half of the time.

OBJ is better for sure. I'm no Cooper fan, but people swear he's the greatest route runner in the NFL. Idk.

Green, sure, a case can be made for Green.

You say you don't base off stats, then your entire argument is "What have you done for me lately" aka...stats.

Chris isn't answering the question of, "Who's been the most productive", he's answering the question of who he believes is the most talented.

Same reason he has Brady and Brees so far down his QB list (15 & 16 IIRC)

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

OBJ is better for sure. I'm no Cooper fan, but people swear he's the greatest route runner in the NFL. Idk.

Green, sure, a case can be made for Green.

You say you don't base off stats, then your entire argument is "What have you done for me lately" aka...stats.

Chris isn't answering the question of, "Who's been the most productive", he's answering the question of who he believes is the most talented.

Same reason he has Brady and Brees so far down his QB list (15 & 16 IIRC)

AJ Green hasn’t played football in 2 years. Whether your argument is stats or tape is irrelevant.

OBJ just hasn’t played like the guy he was. I’m willing to give him a pass due to QB play, and he’s the only one I’d say is arguably better because he’s still a very talented WR.

Cooper is a better route runner and that’s literally it. Adams is better because he’s the polar opposite in terms of hands and consistency. He’s also better after the catch.

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I have to admit, Adams not being in the top 10 is pretty bad. He’s really ****ing good.

Devante Adams is a really nice receiver, the issue with him though is because they do not have a speed guy with him, he's limited. That receiver core hurts Rodgers too..his #1 guy is basically a possession receiver.

I think Adams is more of a high end 2 than the elite 1 because he's consistent and makes some high level plays but he isn't going to make a defense scared.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Devante Adams is a really nice receiver, the issue with him though is because they do not have a speed guy with him, he's limited. That receiver core hurts Rodgers too..his #1 guy is basically a possession receiver.

I think Adams is more of a high end 2 than the elite 1 because he's consistent and makes some high level plays but he isn't going to make a defense scared.

This is such a shit take. He’s easily a top 10 WR and you’re saying he’s a high end 2?

Just stop.

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Originally Posted by staylor26

This is such a shit take. He’s easily a top 10 WR and you’re saying he’s a high end 2?

Just stop.

You think everyone who disagrees with you is a shit take.

Yeah, sorry, but when i put on the "film", he doesn't have the talent of some of these guys listed on here.

He gets production by being Rodgers #1 WR, but look at how often Rodgers has to make a great throw in tight coverage to make it happen.

You don't think guys like OBJ or Green could produce with Aaron Rodgers?

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

You think everyone who disagrees with you is a shit take.

Yeah, sorry, but when i put on the "film", he doesn't have the talent of some of these guys listed on here.

He gets production by being Rodgers #1 WR, but look at how often Rodgers has to make a great throw in tight coverage to make it happen.

You don't think guys like OBJ or Green could produce with Aaron Rodgers?

Seems like you think that I’m calling your take shit by proxy. I’m not.

Yours is reasonable. Calling him a high end 2 is not. I think he’s top 10, but at the very least he’s too 15 and a legitimate #1. You can give Rodgers all the credit you want, but anybody that’s watched that Packers offense with/without Adams knows he’s a legit #1 WR.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

You think everyone who disagrees with you is a shit take.

Yeah, sorry, but when i put on the "film", he doesn't have the talent of some of these guys listed on here.

He gets production by being Rodgers #1 WR, but look at how often Rodgers has to make a great throw in tight coverage to make it happen.

You don't think guys like OBJ or Green could produce with Aaron Rodgers?

Bad take IMO. Adams is such a smooth route runner which makes him so good.

Remember Sammy burning Sherman in the 4th quarter of the SB? He admitted he watched Adams roast Sherman’s asshole 2 weeks prior and copied his same route.

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Keenan Allen, Davante Adams, Allen Robinson and Chris Godwin are all better than Courtland Sutton.
Sutton isn’t even the best receiver on his own goddamn team anymore.

And it’s criminal that Hopkins is ****ing 5th. Give me Hopkins over Julio, Thomas and Evans.

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I have to admit, Adams not being in the top 10 is pretty bad. He’s really ****ing good.

I like it, actually. Doesn't seem unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I like it, actually. Doesn't seem unreasonable.

I'm watching Adams and trying to figure out what is that he does that the rest of these WR's can't do.

I can't name it. There's no part of his game that jumps out to me.

It reminds me of the Edwards-Helaire vs Swift conversations.

Helaire demonstrated some elite traits that popped off the screen. Swift, a good player, but no elite traits. That's how i see Adams as well.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I'm watching Adams and trying to figure out what is that he does that the rest of these WR's can't do.

I can't name it. There's no part of his game that jumps out to me.

It reminds me of the Edwards-Helaire vs Swift conversations.

Helaire demonstrated some elite traits that popped off the screen. Swift, a good player, but no elite traits. That's how i see Adams as well.

Adams is a great route runner with great hands and he’s really ****ing good after the catch.

I didn’t think your take that CEH was better was unreasonable. I thought your take specifically on Swift was. There’s a difference. I even said before all of that that CEH was the best fit for the Chiefs.

If you were arguing that Adams in the top 5 or so made him overrated, I’d agree. But he’s too 15 at the very least and I find it very hard not to put him in the top 10.