Chiefs Why are so many dissing our improved defense? - Page 4

**BigRedChief** · 09-19-2019, 05:38 AM

Obviously, it still needs work. Not there yet. But, cant you see the improvement? They are maintaining their gaps instead of free lancing. They are not figuring out what to do in pre-snap. No more confusion. They know their job at least.

In today's NFL, they don't hit each other other, tackle in training camp anymore. They play few snaps in the pre-season games. It's a new scheme. Lots of new starters. I see a defense that is taking shape. Go look at the breakdowns of the defense from last year to the first two games. It's telling.

Without a great corner its not going to be a top 10 defense. But, its already made it from one of the worse to the 19th ranked defense in the NFL. Haven't the majority on here said all off season that we just needed a middle of the pack defense to make a Super Bowl?

We are going to have at least a middle of the pack defense. People need to chill. Start panicking at mid-season at least.

Chris Meck · 09-23-2019, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Looked better this week too. Still many issues, the tackling geeeezzz

But, still improving each week.

True, but to be fair, Jackson is a unique problem and was obviously the first concern.

This opened them up to YAC from Ingram as they're thinking "contain, contain, contain" instead of being aggressive and attacking the ball.

It must be difficult indeed to switch gears in a quarter of a second after the snap.

Overall, I'm pleased with the progression of the defense. I think they get a little better every week and the secondary in particular played quite well this week.

tatorhog · 09-23-2019, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Looked better this week too. Still many issues, the tackling geeeezzz

But, still improving each week.

They stopped what I think would have otherwise been sustained drives that ultimately would have led to points. So there is improvement.

They do a number of little things better than they did last year, and that's encouraging as well.

stumppy · 09-23-2019, 08:18 AM

Isn't this defense what we were hoping for all through the off season? They're not a top 10 defense but they are a helluva lot better than previous years, and they'll get better as the season goes along. I think they did a pretty good job yesterday considering who and how they had to play.

**notorious** · 09-23-2019, 08:20 AM

The wounded duck prayer throws enraged me.

That's all we are going to see against Houston. The secondary better pull their heads out of their ass.

KCUnited · 09-23-2019, 08:23 AM

Seems to be a lot less grabbing going on in the secondary and guys are in better position to cover. Hard to tell going up against a Lamar Jackson and his scud missile like accuracy though, but the secondary does appear to be improved.

stumppy · 09-23-2019, 08:24 AM

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The wounded duck prayer throws enraged me.

That's all we are going to see against Houston. The secondary better pull their heads out of their ass.

Me too. Take away those two lucky throws/catches and the scoreboard looks a lot different.

Molitoth · 09-23-2019, 08:25 AM

In the end, opposing teams are still converting 3rd and 18's on the Chiefs... whether it be by some stupid ****ing miracle toss up bullshit pass with OPI that doesn't get called, or whatever...

Molitoth · 09-23-2019, 08:27 AM

Our Secondary needs to stop playing with their stone hands and start catching balls.
So many dropped INT's that come back to bite.

**notorious** · 09-23-2019, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by stumppy

Me too. Take away those two lucky throws/catches and the scoreboard looks a lot different.

This Chiefs team is infinitely better that those turds, yet once again we are having to hold our breath thanks to garbage and Reid's clock management.

Oh yeah, Thompson was a complete moron, too.

I want to see 37-13, 42-13, etc. Stop letting teams back in the game FFS.

JohnnyHammersticks · 09-23-2019, 08:52 AM

Does Anthony Hitchens have any desire to be on a football field at this point? Is he injured? I know the dude sucks, but at least put forth a little bit of effort for God's sake. I'd run the ball right up the middle 90% of the time if I were designing a gameplan against our D.

Except for those 2 embarrassing hail Marys, other than Bitchens I thought our D played pretty well.

FloridaMan88 · 09-23-2019, 08:57 AM

The defense needs to minimize the long drives they are continuously giving up.

14, 13 and 10 play drives given up yesterday.

10 play drive given up to the Raiders on their opening drive.

Two 9 play drives given up vs. Jacksonville.

The defense needs to force more negative/yardage loss plays on first/second downs.

**notorious** · 09-23-2019, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks

Does Anthony Hitchens have any desire to be on a football field at this point? Is he injured? I know the dude sucks, but at least put forth a little bit of effort for God's sake. I'd run the ball right up the middle 90% of the time if I were designing a gameplan against our D.

Except for those 2 embarrassing hail Marys, other than Bitchens I thought our D played pretty well.

Exactly.

Harbaugh should have kept pounding it. Every time Lamar stepped back to pass it helped us.

DJ's left nut · 09-23-2019, 09:01 AM

I don't even have a giant problem with the Fuller hail mary - that was just bad luck. He was right there in the guys pocket but the WR found the ball first - shit happens.

The Ward play, OTOH, was !@#$ing terrible. It was lazy. He had that ball lined up easily for the pick and rather than attack it and use his body to shield off anyone that might make a play on it, he just seemed to assume that nobody would try. That was a completion born of sheer complacence and stupidity.

The last TD drive was just as prevent as prevent gets.

The defense was okay. It wasn't great but it wasn't bad. That'll play.

And if Mathieu and Clark can't un**** themselves, it's as good as we're gonna get. And ultimately that's the real answer - why are people down on the defense right now? Because the two most visible components and high-end additions to it have been varying degrees of invisible to ineffective.

And if this is the play we get from them this season, then the ceiling of the defense truly will be 'eh, alright'. If they start stepping up and playing to the level of their paychecks, perhaps people will be a little more laudatory of the D. And frankly, the D will likely be a hell of a lot better if that does happen.

scho63 · 09-23-2019, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Our Secondary needs to stop playing with their stone hands and start catching balls.
So many dropped INT's that come back to bite.

How about just spotting the ball on the throw? Our guys heads are always looking in the wrong place, ALWAYS!

O.city · 09-23-2019, 09:09 AM

I thought Mathieu was pretty good yesterday, got his hands on 2 throws that should have been picks for sure though.

I don't know if Clark is pressing or what's going on there.

09-19-2019, 05:38 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3039627 VARSITY	Why are so many dissing our improved defense? Obviously, it still needs work. Not there yet. But, cant you see the improvement? They are maintaining their gaps instead of free lancing. They are not figuring out what to do in pre-snap. No more confusion. They know their job at least. In today's NFL, they don't hit each other other, tackle in training camp anymore. They play few snaps in the pre-season games. It's a new scheme. Lots of new starters. I see a defense that is taking shape. Go look at the breakdowns of the defense from last year to the first two games. It's telling. Without a great corner its not going to be a top 10 defense. But, its already made it from one of the worse to the 19th ranked defense in the NFL. Haven't the majority on here said all off season that we just needed a middle of the pack defense to make a Super Bowl? We are going to have at least a middle of the pack defense. People need to chill. Start panicking at mid-season at least.
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stumppy New and Improved Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Springfield, Mo. Casino cash: $1388590	Isn't this defense what we were hoping for all through the off season? They're not a top 10 defense but they are a helluva lot better than previous years, and they'll get better as the season goes along. I think they did a pretty good job yesterday considering who and how they had to play. __________________ “As a nation, we can endure damaging policies for a four-year term. But we cannot survive a president willing to terminate our Constitution”
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notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $2825884	The wounded duck prayer throws enraged me. That's all we are going to see against Houston. The secondary better pull their heads out of their ass.
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KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $2188244	Seems to be a lot less grabbing going on in the secondary and guys are in better position to cover. Hard to tell going up against a Lamar Jackson and his scud missile like accuracy though, but the secondary does appear to be improved.
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09-23-2019, 08:25 AM	#52
Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $2884969	In the end, opposing teams are still converting 3rd and 18's on the Chiefs... whether it be by some stupid ****ing miracle toss up bullshit pass with OPI that doesn't get called, or whatever...
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Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $2884969	Our Secondary needs to stop playing with their stone hands and start catching balls. So many dropped INT's that come back to bite.
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JohnnyHammersticks MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chandler AZ Casino cash: $2621254	Does Anthony Hitchens have any desire to be on a football field at this point? Is he injured? I know the dude sucks, but at least put forth a little bit of effort for God's sake. I'd run the ball right up the middle 90% of the time if I were designing a gameplan against our D. Except for those 2 embarrassing hail Marys, other than Bitchens I thought our D played pretty well.
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09-23-2019, 08:57 AM	#56
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $3062906	The defense needs to minimize the long drives they are continuously giving up. 14, 13 and 10 play drives given up yesterday. 10 play drive given up to the Raiders on their opening drive. Two 9 play drives given up vs. Jacksonville. The defense needs to force more negative/yardage loss plays on first/second downs.
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09-23-2019, 09:01 AM	#58
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2899099	I don't even have a giant problem with the Fuller hail mary - that was just bad luck. He was right there in the guys pocket but the WR found the ball first - shit happens. The Ward play, OTOH, was !@#$ing terrible. It was lazy. He had that ball lined up easily for the pick and rather than attack it and use his body to shield off anyone that might make a play on it, he just seemed to assume that nobody would try. That was a completion born of sheer complacence and stupidity. The last TD drive was just as prevent as prevent gets. The defense was okay. It wasn't great but it wasn't bad. That'll play. And if Mathieu and Clark can't un**** themselves, it's as good as we're gonna get. And ultimately that's the real answer - why are people down on the defense right now? Because the two most visible components and high-end additions to it have been varying degrees of invisible to ineffective. And if this is the play we get from them this season, then the ceiling of the defense truly will be 'eh, alright'. If they start stepping up and playing to the level of their paychecks, perhaps people will be a little more laudatory of the D. And frankly, the D will likely be a hell of a lot better if that does happen. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2644064	I thought Mathieu was pretty good yesterday, got his hands on 2 throws that should have been picks for sure though. I don't know if Clark is pressing or what's going on there.
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