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Patrick Mahomes is a special player, but Chiefs need to be a special team to break through

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The Patrick Mahomes Show rolls into the stuffy old NFL playoffs Saturday. With his flashy and prolific breakout performance, Mahomes had the greatest influence on making the NFL fun again this season. The postseason doesn’t always do fun, however. It wears business formal attire.

Will Mahomes be dazzling in this environment? There’s no doubt he is capable, and for maximum entertainment, the NFL needs him to keep turning the game into his highlight haven. But for as electrifying as Mahomes is, this stage has a history of presenting difficulty for teams led by mega-productive quarterbacks. Combine that with the Kansas City Chiefs’ 1-11 record in their past 12 postseason games, and there is reason to worry about the Super Bowl hopes of the AFC’s best team.

Quite frankly, it would stink if Kansas City doesn’t hang around for multiple playoff games, at the very least. The Chiefs’ offense is something to behold. And Mahomes just out-Marino-ed the 1984 version of Dan Marino and set a new standard for quarterback proficiency at age 23. He threw for 5,097 yards and 50 touchdowns. He joined Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as the only members of the 50-TD club. In addition, Mahomes elevated the offensive genius of Coach Andy Reid and enhanced the profile of a former mentor, Kliff Kingsbury, so much that an NFL team hired Kingsbury — as a head coach — just weeks after he was fired for being a losing college coach.

[‘We got it done!’: The inside story of how Patrick Mahomes landed with the Chiefs]

Nonetheless, the NFL playoffs can be a harsh experience for teams so dependent on a dynamic quarterback. During the 2018 regular season, Mahomes and Ben Roethlisberger (who led the league with 5,129 passing yards) surpassed 5,000 yards. There are now 11 instances in which a quarterback has reached this mark. Members of that elite group have combined for zero championships. They have a mediocre 8-6 playoff record. Three of them — Manning in 2013, Brady in 2011 and Marino in 1984 — lost in the Super Bowl. There are actually more instances in which the 5,000-yard quarterback failed to reach the playoffs. That has happened four times, three of which belong to Drew Brees.

In general, a 5,000-yard quarterback signifies a level of imbalance difficult to overcome in a game that requires contributions from so many players. Their postseason history is irrefutable proof of the limitations of a single star in football, no matter his level of greatness.

The Chiefs have plenty of top-end talent, including tight end Travis Kelce and speedy wide receiver Tyreek Hill. They were a playoff team before Mahomes took over for Alex Smith, who was traded to Washington last offseason. Six Chiefs made the Pro Bowl this season. They had a league-best four players on the all-pro team, which is the most prestigious honor. But of all those individual accolades, linebacker Dee Ford was the only defensive player to make the cut.

Kansas City allowed 405.5 yards per game this season, making the Chiefs the second-worst defense in the NFL. They allowed 26.3 points per game, which ranked in the bottom third of the league. Some of their awful defensive stats are the result of their fast-paced offensive style and the fact that some of their games turn into low-intensity scrimmages because they are nursing big leads. But there’s ample evidence that they are as bad as those numbers suggest.

[Analysis: Kyler Murray is a likely first-round pick. That shows the evolution of QB in the NFL.]

It’s a dangerous proposition to go into playoff games needing to win 35-30. And the team doesn’t have star running back Kareem Hunt anymore to play more of a ball-control style at times. If the defense doesn’t play at a higher level starting against Indianapolis on Saturday, if the Kansas City running game is a non-factor, the Chiefs will put a lot on Mahomes’s shoulders.

He won’t have a problem being productive. He’s going to throw his touchdown passes, and he’s going to make plays that make your eyes eject from their sockets. But in the postseason, turnovers tend to happen more frequently for pass-heavy teams.

Mahomes’s inexperience will manifest itself in some way. Kansas City hopes it will be subtle. If he throws a couple of interceptions, the atmosphere at Arrowhead Stadium could become tense.

Yet the young quarterback is unbowed. In his first year as an NFL starter, he had one of the greatest seasons in history. Kansas City hasn’t won a home playoff game since Jan. 8, 1994. Mahomes wasn’t born until Sept. 17, 1995. But it’s not like he has been desperate to win a game like this for his entire life. This is his first crack at it. And unlike the limited, journeymen quarterbacks who have failed in Kansas City over the past quarter-century, he’s a homegrown superstar, a player the Chiefs drafted, developed and then unleashed.

Mahomes won’t manage the game and hope the team can pull through. He will attack and try to win it.

“I know the history and stuff like that, but at the same time, we’re a different generation,” he said confidently this week.

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Even though he is new to this, it’s easy to trust Mahomes. He might not play perfect football, but he will show up. Here’s the most important question, though: Will that inspire the rest of the Chiefs? To win a title, to make a deep playoff run, they have to show more versatility.

Shape-shifting teams always have had an advantage in the NFL playoffs or in any single-elimination tournament, because they can adjust to anything. That skill might become even more important as the NFL transitions to an era in which teams employ more creative strategies. The notion of the classic pro-style offense or simple ground-and-pound approach is out. Innovation is in as the influence of college creativity starts to take hold. That’s why the league has been so interesting this season, and Kansas City has been a big part of the movement.

But in a one-and-done format, in a parity-based league, even the innovators must adapt. Because of their explosive offense, the Chiefs have the ability to overwhelm and dominate like few teams can. Sometimes, though, the postseason requires different pitches. Can the Chiefs change it up? If necessary, can they conform and still thrive?

Mahomes made the regular season sparkle. He’s the clear MVP, and he may continue to be the league’s brightest star in the playoffs. But the Chiefs won’t break through multiple layers of dubious history simply because Mahomes is special.

The entire team must divide this responsibility in a more equitable manner. Without that evolution, Mahomes will suffer the same fate as those other prolific, spectacular and wholly unsatisfied 5,000-yard quarterbacks.
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Interesting age statistics.

https://thecomeback.com/nfl/what-is-...rterbacks.html

For years the conventional wisdom has always stated that a quarterback needed to have years of playoff experience before finally being able to make the leap to winning a Super Bowl. This year may indeed be a test of that adage as we have an incredibly even split between young gunslingers and wily veterans looking to lift the Lombardi Trophy this year.

On the elder statesmen side, Tom Brady and Drew Brees would each become the oldest quarterback to win a Super Bowl at 40+ years of age. Peyton Manning currently holds the record at 39 years of age after winning Super Bowl 50 with the Broncos. Although he doesn’t have experience in the Super Bowl yet, Philip Rivers of the Chargers would also be one of the oldest quarterbacks to lift the Lombardi Trophy at 37 years old.


At the other end of the spectrum, Patrick Mahomes of the Chiefs would be the youngest quarterback to ever win the Super Bowl at 23 years and 4 months of age. Ben Roethlisberger was 23 years and 11 months old when he won Super Bowl XL with the Steelers in 2006. Los Angeles’ Jared Goff (24) would join only Roethlisberger and Tom Brady to win a Super Bowl at younger than 25 and Dak Prescott (25) wouldn’t be far behind.
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Finally, the middle-aged category for quarterbacks is a mix of signal callers, one with a ring and one without, as Nick Foles of the Eagles and Andrew Luck of the Colts are both 29 years old.

So does either side have an edge? Is it better to have a quarterback with lots of experienced, a fearless newcomer, or someone that’s in the middle of their career? According to the historical data, which group of quarterbacks has the edge when it comes to Super Bowl winners? We’ve looked through the list of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks and found some interesting statistical trends when it comes to the age of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks.

As it turns out, Foles and Luck are right in the sweet spot of Super Bowl winners. The average age of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks is 30.71 years of age. Over the course of NFL history that seems to fit with what one would think of as the prime of a quarterback’s career. The data for first-time Super Bowl winners is about the same as well with quarterbacks being an average of 29 years of age winning their first Super Bowl. (You’re welcome Colts fans.)

Drilling down deeper into the data is even more interesting as the wide majority of Super Bowl winners have come from the surrounding age brackets with few outliers over the previous 52 Super Bowls.

Super Bowl Victories By Age Bracket

25 or younger: 5 Super Bowls
26-30 years old: 24 Super Bowls
31-35 years old: 16 Super Bowls
36 or older: 7 Super Bowls

What’s amazing about this statistic is that the 36 and older crowd has almost doubled their total the last few years. Three of the last four Super Bowl winners have been among the oldest to ever win the game with Tom Brady taking two Lombardi Trophies at 37 and 39 respectively and Manning’s victory with the Broncos. These numbers line up with what we’re seeing around the NFL with quarterbacks being more and more protected by the changes taking place in the game. With more elite quarterbacks like Brees and Brady playing to 40 and beyond it certainly increases their chances of winning a championship in the latter stages of their career. In case you’re wondering, the other 35+ year-old quarterbacks to win a Super Bowl were Johnny Unitas, Jim Plunkett, and John Elway twice.

Nowhere is that trend more clearly seen than Rivers having what may be his best chance to win a ring at the ripe old age of 37. And Chargers fans certainly shouldn’t be discouraged about that number because both Elway and Unitas won their first Super Bowl at the same age.

After the 2000s were dominated by younger quarterbacks like Brady in the early years of the Patriots dynasty, Roethlisberger, and Rodgers, the 2010s have had the highest average age by decade of Super Bowl winning quarterbacks, although the numbers are remarkably consistent over the years.

Average Age of Super Bowl Victories By Decade

2010s: 31 years old
2000s: 27 years old
1990s: 30.6 years old
1980s: 30.8 years old
1970s: 30 years old
1960s: 30.7 years old

What can we learn from these numbers? While it’s certainly not historically improbable for a quarterback like Mahomes or Goff or Prescott to win a Super Bowl, it would be a bit of a novelty especially considering recent trends that are skewing towards older quarterbacks.

Veteran quarterbacks are having more success than ever before in winning a Super Bowl trophy, specifically in the 35 and older crowd which would seem to favor Brees, Brady, and Rivers.

However, in looking at Super Bowl history on the whole, it would seem to favor the two #6 seeds and their quarterbacks with Foles and Luck being in seemingly the perfect spot. And given the way both of their teams played over the weekend with being able to win on the road in the Wild Card round, they have to be feeling pretty good about their chances at the moment.
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His first Super Bowl, Mr. Halfcan. His first.

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It's been simmering since April 27th, 2017 at 7:19pm central time. 21,000+ posts. I hope it lasts until he puts on the Gold Jacket.

He will deliver us the first playoff win in Arrowhead in 25 years.
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The Ballad of Patrick Mahomes, sung to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies

Let me tell you all a story about a kid named Pat
A young quarterback who was quicker than a cat
His team was robotic as they matriculated down the field
Andrew Luck and the Colts found out they had to yield
Kelce, Hill, Robinson

The first thing you know ole Pat's a superstar
His fans all said Pat you're really going far
They said Atlanta, Georgia is the place you ought to go
So he beat the Pats and Saints and won the Super Bowl!
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The Ballad of Patrick Mahomes, sung to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies

Let me tell you all a story about a kid named Pat
A young quarterback who was quicker than a cat
His team was robotic as they matriculated down the field
Andrew Luck and the Colts found out they had to yield
Kelce, Hill, Robinson

The first thing you know ole Pat's a superstar
His fans all said Pat you're really going far
They said Atlanta, Georgia is the place you ought to go
So he beat the Pats and Saints and won the Super Bowl!
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