Chiefs Kyler Murray commits to Football (Won’t play baseball) - Page 6

**Buehler445** · 02-11-2019, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Yeah there is a huge difference between 5'8" and 5'10" when it comes to a QB. You habe tall lineman blocking for you and you also have tall pass rushers running at you with their arms up. Being really short is going to make it extremely difficult on him and he will have a hard time seeing down the field and will probably have a ton of batted down passes.

Hell, you saw it against Alabama.

IMO he’ll have some success moving around and getting outside the pocket. But teams will decide not to overpersue and make him throw from the pocket and he’ll struggle.

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

I doubt he gets drafted first round

You know better than that. Teams are chalk full of flaming ****ing idiots. One of those flaming ducking idiots will convince other flaming ****ing idiots to take him in the first round.

O.city · 02-11-2019, 10:47 PM

He just signed the same agent as kingsbury.

I bet the cardinals take him first overall

**Buehler445** · 02-11-2019, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He just signed the same agent as kingsbury.

I bet the cardinals take him first overall

I will have the popcorn ready if they do. Holy hell.

ntexascardfan · 02-12-2019, 12:51 AM

I walked by Kyler prior to a basketball game a while back and he conservatively came up to my nose.

I'm 6'0.

Sannyasi · 02-12-2019, 01:03 AM

Its too dismissive of all of the success that the guy has had up to this point to assume that he's going to fail now just because he's 5'10". On the contrary I think he could actually be pretty good in the NFL if he's able to stay healthy. Height obviously matters for QB's, but it matters less and less as teams go with more shotgun sets and spread offense., With his particular skillset, coaches are going to have no problem getting him out of the pocket into situations where he can either pass or run. He has the chance to be really dangerous in that kind of offense.

Durability is obviously going to be a concern for him, but durability isn't always related to size. If you put Sammy Watkins and Tyreek Hill next to each other, who would you assume is more injury prone? There are obviously more factors at work when it comes to susceptibility to injury than just size. Sometimes actually the big guys like Gronk take more punishment because other plays can more easily square up on them and deliver a big hit.

He should send a portion of his first check to Russell Wilson though, as the fact that Wilson is successful in the league already is going to raise this Murray's draft stock by an entire round on its own. Coaches love to copy others, because then if the pick blows up in their faces they can at least say "Hey, we thought he was the next Russell Wilson." Its a subtle way to shift the blame onto someone else.

PunkinDrublic · 02-12-2019, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sannyasi

Its too dismissive of all of the success that the guy has had up to this point to assume that he's going to fail now just because he's 5'10". On the contrary I think he could actually be pretty good in the NFL if he's able to stay healthy. Height obviously matters for QB's, but it matters less and less as teams go with more shotgun sets and spread offense., With his particular skillset, coaches are going to have no problem getting him out of the pocket into situations where he can either pass or run. He has the chance to be really dangerous in that kind of offense.

Durability is obviously going to be a concern for him, but durability isn't always related to size. If you put Sammy Watkins and Tyreek Hill next to each other, who would you assume is more injury prone? There are obviously more factors at work when it comes to susceptibility to injury than just size. Sometimes actually the big guys like Gronk take more punishment because other plays can more easily square up on them and deliver a big hit.

He should send a portion of his first check to Russell Wilson though, as the fact that Wilson is successful in the league already is going to raise this Murray's draft stock by an entire round on its own. Coaches love to copy others, because then if the pick blows up in their faces they can at least say "Hey, we thought he was the next Russell Wilson." Its a subtle way to shift the blame onto someone else.

He’s a project at best at QB. Not a first round talent.

TwistedChief · 02-12-2019, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

He’s a project at best at QB. Not a first round talent.

You're going to be very disappointed watching the draft when your project QB goes in the first 10 picks.

PunkinDrublic · 02-12-2019, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

You're going to be very disappointed watching the draft when your project QB goes in the first 10 picks.

Not if he goes to a division rival. I’ll be stoked.

Red Dawg · 02-12-2019, 07:43 AM

He's too little. There has to be a limit and he is under it.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 02-12-2019, 07:52 AM

Murray is shorter than 5’10”. He will be a bust. Should’ve went to the MLB. More money

FringeNC · 02-12-2019, 07:56 AM

This is a tough call. He's 5-10 at best. If he can use his mobility like Mahomes to buy time to throw he has a chance. If he uses his mobility like RG3, same result as RG3.

How strong is his arm?

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 02-12-2019, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

This is a tough call. He's 5-10 at best. If he can use his mobility like Mahomes to buy time to throw he has a chance. If he uses his mobility like RG3, same result as RG3.

How strong is his arm?

He does have a strong arm. I will give him that. Baseball definitely helped him there

BleedingRed · 02-12-2019, 08:34 AM

I think you guys are missing the point because you keep looking at his height.

The NFL is setup now more than ever to protect the QB, and you need a QB who can deliver on the unscheduled stuff. Yes height matters, but There are some great examples recently why it isn’t the end all be all.

You need someone who can make plays, this kid can. He also has experience in Kliffs system.

Best22 · 02-13-2019, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I think you guys are missing the point because you keep looking at his height.

The NFL is setup now more than ever to protect the QB, and you need a QB who can deliver on the unscheduled stuff. Yes height matters, but There are some great examples recently why it isn’t the end all be all.

You need someone who can make plays, this kid can. He also has experience in Kliffs system.

What? QBs can still get killed. Especially if they’re young...

How much extra “protection” from the refs did Mahomes get?

ZERO! Didn’t benefit from a single new QB protection rule all season (minus the one time he got low blowed like ‘08 Brady)

(Still, it’s possible he gets the Brees/Wilson short guy treatment from the refs)

**Bob Dole** · 02-12-2019, 06:43 PM

After thinking about this, I'm still struggling to understand why I should care.

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Sannyasi Veteran Join Date: Jan 2010 Casino cash: $9963714	Its too dismissive of all of the success that the guy has had up to this point to assume that he's going to fail now just because he's 5'10". On the contrary I think he could actually be pretty good in the NFL if he's able to stay healthy. Height obviously matters for QB's, but it matters less and less as teams go with more shotgun sets and spread offense., With his particular skillset, coaches are going to have no problem getting him out of the pocket into situations where he can either pass or run. He has the chance to be really dangerous in that kind of offense. Durability is obviously going to be a concern for him, but durability isn't always related to size. If you put Sammy Watkins and Tyreek Hill next to each other, who would you assume is more injury prone? There are obviously more factors at work when it comes to susceptibility to injury than just size. Sometimes actually the big guys like Gronk take more punishment because other plays can more easily square up on them and deliver a big hit. He should send a portion of his first check to Russell Wilson though, as the fact that Wilson is successful in the league already is going to raise this Murray's draft stock by an entire round on its own. Coaches love to copy others, because then if the pick blows up in their faces they can at least say "Hey, we thought he was the next Russell Wilson." Its a subtle way to shift the blame onto someone else.
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