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The hill comparison keeps getting thrown around for being pro trade but remember, they were planning to sign hill until the number got out of control. Unless Jones goes crazy, I’d guess they’d have that budgeted in here |
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If you keep jones, you need 1,2 maybe 3 things to break in your favor to have a good dl
You trade him, it’s 5 or 6 |
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They went into a rough FA market to try to back-fill for his loss and came away with Robert Woods. If we go into FA to try to replace Chris Jones, that's likely the sort of guy we'd end up with. Then they tried to replace him with a draft pick. Again - that's probably what we'd try to do. It's a real similar situation. The Titans didn't do 'nothing' - they tried to get a high-ceiling rookie replacement and a reliable short-term veteran to fill the hole they created. The problem is that it just rarely works out terribly well. If you're lucky, over a 2-3 year timeline you might finally get back to where you were, but that takes luck. And I'm not willing to step backwards while we still have Travis Kelce out there kicking ass and taking names. We're a contender now. The timing just isn't right to take that kind of risk.
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You need to hit on a viable speed rusher opposite of Karlaftis. Do that and you have, at worst, an average DL. Would I like an elite DL? More than anything else I could have on the defense. But do I think trading Chris Jones gets us closer to that? Oh hell no. And it gets us further away from having a merely solid one.
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If you could send a 3rd to the jets for Carl Lawson knowing you’d have to extend him, would you do it?
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I think he's a better player than Ngakoue with far more upside. But really, he doesn't look like a guy who's recaptured his explosion coming off that injury yet. And you have to question if he ever will. I mean this year he's kinda looked like Alex Okafor more than a real difference maker. I liked Lawson a lot before he got hurt and a healthy version of him would be a really nice fit here. I just haven't seen anything to this point to think he's that player anymore. And since his whole deal was in salary (no real signing bonus to speak of) he's due a $15 million base salary next year and thus has no real incentive to bargain. I don't see him signing any sort of 'under-valued' deal. He's going to stay on his $15 million or want a premium beyond that figure. And ultimately, there's a non-zero chance the Jets cut him anyway at that figure. he doesn't have any guarantees left in his deal. I'd be more intrigued by him as a FA where I can let the market determine his worth and see if it's waters I'm interested in swimming in.
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Because if you're a guy with Lawson's pedigree and past production who's sitting on a $15 million salary in 2023, why would you accept that kind of contract? I think you'd be better served to get cut and test the market.
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I'm more worried that we traded Hill to beef up the defense and it still sucks.
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It’s much better than last year
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And that's because Veach felt that adding an SDE to one of the worst DL in the league last year and calling it a day was good enough. Best guess I have is that he saw Belichick had been building his defenses from the back forward for the last several years and tried to duplicate it. Seems like conventional wisdom wins this round over BB because this team simply doesn't have a good enough front 4. So, while Veach said the DL was a priority last year, it's time that he actually acts on that this off-season. The !@#$ing Frank Clark blind spot, man. I will simply never understand it.
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It has a brighter future, I agree.
Is it better? Ehhhhhhhh..... The young secondary taking their lumps right now will pay enormous dividends, don't get me wrong. This approach was the right approach. But despite additional raw talent, the results on the field are often much the same. I think that's largely because the DL hasn't improved to a point sufficient to actually move the needle and because Watson and Williams, while very good for late round rookies, are still maybe average starters. And probably not quite that. And that's not to say they're not good picks because in NO world can you expect average starting caliber play from late round rookies. But I think Ward was very good last year and Fenton had a career season. The performance we got from those 2 last season, along with Sneed, was just a little better than the performance we're getting from the secondary this year, IMO. There's just more work to be done here both in terms of talent acquisition and development. The future is bright, IMO - but this defense doesn't seem a ton better than last seasons yet.
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He's also not really the speed guy I'd covet opposite Karlaftis. If I'm not going for speed, I'd just as well want more beef than he provides against the run. |
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I just don't know how much I'd be willing to gamble on that. 2020 Lawson was a DAMN good player. And it sure looked like the development curve of an emerging top talent. But he got hurt and we've seen too many instances of guys just never fully recapturing their previous skill levels.
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