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Old 06-26-2019, 08:33 AM   #1
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Maybe Veach is waiting to extend Jones until this Hill shit is over so he can structure both new contracts around each other?

Possible?
I think it's likely that Jones wants Frank Clark money for one good year. The Chiefs were hoping to give him less to get him his money earlier and he isn't seeing it that way.

His options are:
1) Not play, lose the year he's in the same spot next season.
2) Not play till week 10, become RFA hope he played well enough in that 6 weeks to get a big contract that the Chiefs have the option to match or get draft compensation.
3) Take less get guaranteed money and play.
4) Show up and play this season become an UFA and sign somewhere else or get tagged.

The Chiefs have the leverage here, if he plays hardball I think he loses.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:28 AM   #2
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Ummm...

He’s literally saying he’s not in a rush to get to retirement. That’s it.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:11 PM   #3
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I'm wondering if he misunderstood the one-day contract comment that was aimed toward Hali, and was simply saying that he still has a decade to play.

Either that, or he was just saying that he's not looking forward to training camp starting.

Maybe I'm an optimist, but I'm not seeing negative omens here.
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Ummm...

He’s literally saying he’s not in a rush to get to retirement. That’s it.
This is how I read it too
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:32 AM   #4
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Meh.

It's been reported on here several different times, from various sources, that he HAS to report to training camp by Aug. 6th (due to being on a rookie deal) or he loses an accrued season and would be a restricted FA after this season rather than a standard FA.

He may not show TILL then, but he'll be there . . . . . . . and play his butt off this year because he clearly wants to get paid the big money.

Not worried at all. He'll be balling out again this year on a cheap price tag if they don't get a deal done.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:57 AM   #5
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Meh.

It's been reported on here several different times, from various sources, that he HAS to report to training camp by Aug. 6th (due to being on a rookie deal) or he loses an accrued season and would be a restricted FA after this season rather than a standard FA.

He may not show TILL then, but he'll be there . . . . . . . and play his butt off this year because he clearly wants to get paid the big money.

Not worried at all. He'll be balling out again this year on a cheap price tag if they don't get a deal done.
He'll show up then.

Not be in football shape and end up hurt.
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:21 AM   #6
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He'll show up then.

Not be in football shape and end up hurt.
Well, if that ends up happening, that’s on him and his agent.

And the Chiefs will have probably dodged the bullet on another huge over the market contract (see: Berry, Houston) that comes back to bite them later.

So Chiefs win either way as far as I’m concerned.

I like Jones and would like to see him a part of the team going forward, but it needs to be at a fair price. At this point, Jones has a LOT more to lose than the Chiefs.
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:24 AM   #7
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Well, if that ends up happening, that’s on him and his agent.

And the Chiefs will have probably dodged the bullet on another huge over the market contract (see: Berry, Houston) that comes back to bite them later.

So Chiefs win either way as far as I’m concerned.

I like Jones and would like to see him a part of the team going forward, but it needs to be at a fair price. At this point, Jones has a LOT more to lose than the Chiefs.
The Chiefs need Jones to play well in order to win this year and be a superbowl contender.

He gets hurt ala the franchise tag holdouts tend to do and is in and out of the lineup with a hammy or groin or something, it hurts the Chiefs on the field.
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Old 06-26-2019, 09:36 AM   #8
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The Chiefs need Jones to play well in order to win this year and be a superbowl contender.

He gets hurt ala the franchise tag holdouts tend to do and is in and out of the lineup with a hammy or groin or something, it hurts the Chiefs on the field.
Yes, they are a better team on the field with him than without him, but, again, if he chooses to do something that jeopardizes his financial future, that’s on him and his agent, not the Chiefs.

He’s a great player, but he’s not irreplaceable. Patrick Mahomes is the ONLY player on this team that gets that designation.

If he’s more concerned about being the highest paid DT (or close to) than being a key defensive cog on a potential Super Bowl winning team, then his loss.
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He'll show up then.

Not be in football shape and end up hurt.
Lol, I get being concerned, but you talk like it’s a guarantee that he will get hurt. Like I said beforee, Donald and Mack were both fine last year. Stop with this doom and gloom bullshit.

The guy is working his ass off in Miami right now. It’s obvious he’s been working out a ton and is in great shape if you follow him on social media.
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Lol, I get being concerned, but you talk like it’s a guarantee that he will get hurt. Like I said beforee, Donald and Mack were both fine last year. Stop with this doom and gloom bullshit.

The guy is working his ass off in Miami right now. It’s obvious he’s been working out a ton and is in great shape if you follow him on social media.
Working out and actually playing football are different. That's obvious.

Donald and Mack are legitimate HOF'ers. Chris Jones isn't on that level at this point.

It happens every year man. Guys that miss camp, come in and play are at a higher risk of injury.

Nothing is a guarantee, it's football. Maybe he comes out with rocket shoes and flies to the moon the first game. Hell if I know.

But I do know, missing the physicality of football then trying to jump back into it can lead to injury.
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Old 06-26-2019, 10:05 AM   #11
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Working out and actually playing football are different. That's obvious.

Donald and Mack are legitimate HOF'ers. Chris Jones isn't on that level at this point.

It happens every year man. Guys that miss camp, come in and play are at a higher risk of injury.

Nothing is a guarantee, it's football. Maybe he comes out with rocket shoes and flies to the moon the first game. Hell if I know.

But I do know, missing the physicality of football then trying to jump back into it can lead to injury.
I’m aware of the difference between football shape and regular shape, but there’s not denying that being in great physical shape can help prevent those kinds of injuries in the first place.

You say it happens every year, yet it didn’t happen to the two guys that held out last year. When’s the last example of this that you can give me? And I mean a legit one, not a regular/freak injury that can happen to anyone at anytime. Also, what does him not being as good as those guys have to do with getting hurt?

He’s going to be in camp anyways, so this your concerns are probably futile anyways.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:36 AM   #12
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We were just about to ink Hill, we traded for and paid Clark, and we kinda left Jones on the back burner. I'm sure he isn't feeling the love right now.

A question I have is does Veach and company value Clark more than Jones? I will say Clark had 14 sacks with half the supporting cast of Jones. Clark was all the Seahawks had.

Another question I have is what's the chances of Chiefs franchising Jones and trading him like they did Ford? It would not shock me if a team signed Jones off the tag, alas two first round picks.
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Old 06-26-2019, 08:42 AM   #13
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We were just about to ink Hill, we traded for and paid Clark, and we kinda left Jones on the back burner. I'm sure he isn't feeling the love right now.

A question I have is does Veach and company value Clark more than Jones? I will say Clark had 14 sacks with half the supporting cast of Jones. Clark was all the Seahawks had.

Another question I have is what's the chances of Chiefs franchising Jones and trading him like they did Ford?
Clark played out the last year of his contract with no guarantee's. Jones had a great season last year- Chiefs don't want another Dee Ford situation thats all.
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Clark played out the last year of his contract with no guarantee's. Jones had a great season last year- Chiefs don't want another Dee Ford situation thats all.

That's a great point on Clark manning up and playing out his contract. Wouldn't surprise me if Jones has to wait a year to get paid.
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He has to play. He has no leverage this year. If he wants guaranteed money early, it has to come at a discount. This is pretty simple.
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