Bob Sutton sucks, say Jets fans

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Goodness gracious, what an awful decision that would be for the Chiefs.

You probably remember Sutton's run as Jets defensive coordinator under Eric Mangini from 2006 to 2008. The Jets never had a defense ranked higher than 16th. The scheme was unimaginative.

Sutton didn't blitz much, and when he did, it was terribly designed. This all led to a demotion when Rex Ryan came aboard.

As you all know, playing with largely the same personnel and without the best player Sutton had, Kris Jenkins, for most of the year the Jets had the number one defense in the league the year after Sutton left the defensive coordinator post.

With all of the good coaches the Jets have on defense, Andy Reid is going to hire the one bad coach.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No it isn't. We throw a lot of delayed blitzes, lots of guys at the line who sprint back into coverage, blitzers from all directions.

It's hard to do much when your safeties can't cover over the top. When cooper is targeted the minute the ball is snapped. When you have two defensive ends who are excellent run stuffers but are terrible against the pass, and when we lost Houston, we lost a player with the versatility to rush, stop the run, and cover. We also don't have the depth to rest our players and they are clearly gassed. Against Indy, we played excellent defense -- when your players are in the right position to make a play and don't, that's poor talent. Not scheme.

Get at least an average safety. Improve our d line depth. Cooper has to get better and he will. Get our starters healthy. Fixed. Let's not throw the d coordinator under the bus when he's working with what we have. Right now, my biggest beef is he doesn't sub out as much as he should.

And once again Chiefzilla is the voice of reason in a thread full of idiocy.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

The problem with fans like you is you want immediate fixes. You have no idea how to fix the problem. All you know is that SOMETHING must be done, and it must be done IMMEDIATELY! If the defense, which was the BEST IN THE NFL through 7 weeks has run into a rough patch, then CLEARLY the defensive coordinator MUST BE FIRED!

You're certainly not a gullible Homer Chief fan. You're clearly just an idiot. You should probably go back to just lurking on the site.

Yea, Keep Sutton and watch the prime years of our defensive stars wasted! Dumbass.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

Yea, Keep Sutton and watch the prime years of our defensive stars wasted! Dumbass.

You continue to show why it was wise of you to post very infrequently.

Chiefzilla did a pretty nice job of pointing out where the problems are. You should re-read his post and then be quiet.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jspchief

First paragraph is pretty much wrong.

The rest is head in the sand bullshit. The secondary has issues but it's no excuse for the current horrible pass rush.

The scheme is bad. The pass rushers are predictable. Coaching needs to change.

What's head in the sand bullshit? That losing Houston is a huge loss, given how horrible Zombo has looked in coverage? That Tyson Jackson and Devito are horrible pass rushers and on every single snap, you essentially have 2 guys in your front 3 who can't rush the passer? That a lot of our deep plays are the result of us consistently getting burned deep because we don't have over-the-top help? That our D-line is clearly gassed and playing with less energy than they did the first half.

The scheme isn't perfect, but we are getting because of our players a hell of a lot more than because of our scheme. And our blitzes are NOT predictable. We got beat by Peyton because he put a huge bullseye on Cooper's back and Lewis didn't help over the top. We got to Rivers, and then lost Houston and Hali and lost our pass rush entirely. Washington and Oakland were throwaway games. We played excellent in Indy except Kendrick Lewis gave up several big plays where he was well positioned to make a play and then took himself out of it.

[dannybcaitlyn]

[QUOTE=Brainiac;10314089]You continue to show why it was wise of you to post very infrequently.

Chiefzilla did a pretty nice job of pointing out where the problems are. You should re-read his post and then be quiet.[/QUOT

Your quite defensive. Are you and Sutton ****ing?

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

Your quite defensive. Are you and Sutton ****ing?

Quality post.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No it isn't. We throw a lot of delayed blitzes, lots of guys at the line who sprint back into coverage, blitzers from all directions.

It's hard to do much when your safeties can't cover over the top. When cooper is targeted the minute the ball is snapped. When you have two defensive ends who are excellent run stuffers but are terrible against the pass, and when we lost Houston, we lost a player with the versatility to rush, stop the run, and cover. We also don't have the depth to rest our players and they are clearly gassed. Against Indy, we played excellent defense -- when your players are in the right position to make a play and don't, that's poor talent. Not scheme.

Get at least an average safety. Improve our d line depth. Cooper has to get better and he will. Get our starters healthy. Fixed. Let's not throw the d coordinator under the bus when he's working with what we have. Right now, my biggest beef is he doesn't sub out as much as he should.

The sad thing is every Sorry defense in the league has the same excuses. Where do you draw the line when you should just shit can the Coordinator. Every coordinator is probably saying if Only I had this or that. I believe the Saints had zero probowlers last year and set a record with most allowed yards. This year they grab Rob ryan and the defense is night and day better with minimal personnel change. Also, If lewis is so bad they should never have him playing Single high, actually he should just be benched.

[Discuss Thrower]

Welp.. there's always next year.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

The sad thing is every Sorry defense in the league has the same excuses. Where do you draw the line when you should just shit can the Coordinator. Every coordinator is probably saying if Only I had this or that. I believe the Saints had zero probowlers last year and set a record with most allowed yards. This year they grab Rob ryan and the defense is night and day better with minimal personnel change. Also, If lewis is so bad they should never have him playing Single high, actually he should just be benched.

The Cowboys defense has gotten worse under Monte Kiffen, but they were still crap with Rob Ryan running it.

Personnel makes a difference.

We need depth in the front 7, and a free safety who doesn't make you pay when you don't get to the QB when you blitz.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Welp.. there's always next year.

To hell with the concept of trying to build something out of the wreckage of Scott Pioli. If the Chiefs don't win the Super Bowl in Andy Reid's first year, let the firings begin!

/True Idiots

[milkman]

Oh, and Danny, when Rex Ryan took over the Jets D, they added Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard at LB and safety respectively, which were big upgrades.

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toldja

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Welp.. there's always next year.

Grow a pair

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Coward Planet

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

To hell with the concept of trying to build something out of the wreckage of Scott Pioli. If the Chiefs don't win the Super Bowl in Andy Reid's first year, let the firings begin!

/True Idiots

4 year "rebuild" under Pioli post Herm back to a year 1 rebuild excuse for Andy Reid

so 8 year rebuild plan total. So by year 4 of Andy Reid we can expect Super Bowl! yay!