Football Josh Allen is NOT a tier one QB. - Page 5

**penguinz** · 01-23-2023, 08:59 AM

He is not in the top tier. Pretty clear the top tier is just Mahomes and Burrow.

Sassy Squatch · 01-23-2023, 12:18 PM

23 turnovers this year by Allen. The most by any player over the past 3 seasons.

arrwheader · 01-23-2023, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Man, there's nothing wrong with respecting your rival.

Burrow is still on his rookie deal, and that's true.

But Mahomes couldn't beat him in two tries with Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce.

And couldn't beat him earlier this year.

I'm not saying we can't win this game-but I think Burrow has earned respect. Herbert has done nothing, no signature wins, and a .500 record. That's not even close to a decent comp.

Allen? Hasn't beat Burrow. Neither has Mahomes, in three tries.

Give the respect where it's due and let's go beat his ass!

Agree but it is true. The guy has 3 number one wide outs at receiver. He also has an excellent TE.

Mahomes had tyreek and kelce and he did have Watkins at one point but over all burrow has had unreal fire power since he's been relevant. Even then he struggled early on.

I know people used to say that about mahomes and reek etc. But burrow 100 percent drops off once he doesn't have that stable of thoroughbreds there. If he doesn't then he's on mahomes level and I'll shut up.

That being said they are well coached as well. This games a toss up and mahomes ankle the x factor. If we beat them this weekend with a less than 100 percent mahomes to go to the SB then it makes up for it. Meanwhile clock's ticking for them. Mahomes has proven he can get to the afccg with less. Jury still out for burrow.

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Megatron96 · 01-23-2023, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

It would have been impossible to do, but Buffalo in the long run would have been better keeping Daboll even if that meant getting rid of McDermott and promoting Daboll to HC.

I'm leaning towards this.

I like McDermott as a coach, even a HC, because I think he's done a great job in BUF when you look at where they were when he first took the job, but at the end of the day he's a defensive-minded coach. I think for BUF to consistently be a top 3 team they have to transition to an offensive-minded coach.

Personally, I'm not a fan of Daboll, but when he was In BUF he reined in the worst of Josh's weaknesses and maximized his strengths. Without Daboll, Josh seems to have regressed some, and now he's making many of the same mistakes he was making two or three years ago.

IF BUF wants to really be competitive with CIN and KC, they're going to have to hire a Daboll-type OC.

jallmon · 01-23-2023, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

I'm leaning towards this.

IF BUF wants to really be competitive with CIN and KC, they're going to have to hire a Daboll-type OC.

How about EB? He is around a very potent offense and superstar qb, and it would clear our coaching logjam.

**penguinz** · 01-23-2023, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jallmon

How about EB? He is around a very potent offense and superstar qb, and it would clear our coaching logjam.

If the idea is for EB to bring the KC offense with him it won't work. JA is not smart enough.

DRM08 · 01-23-2023, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Man, there's nothing wrong with respecting your rival.

Burrow is still on his rookie deal, and that's true.

But Mahomes couldn't beat him in two tries with Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce.

And couldn't beat him earlier this year.

I'm not saying we can't win this game-but I think Burrow has earned respect. Herbert has done nothing, no signature wins, and a .500 record. That's not even close to a decent comp.

Allen? Hasn't beat Burrow. Neither has Mahomes, in three tries.

Give the respect where it's due and let's go beat his ass!

Burrow is great. But…Let’s be clear, it’s a team game. I think Cincy has a better defense and we saw it on Sunday with them holding a very good Buffalo offense to only 10 points. Burrow's defense has repeatedly done remarkable stuff to help him the last couple years.

Burrow's QBR in the playoffs last year was 51/100 which is nothing special. He did nothing special against the Ravens two weeks ago and the defense gave him a win on that 99 yard fumble return TD. Burrow was legitimately great on Sunday against Buffalo. I expect him to have another strong game against a KC defense that isn’t able to cover or tackle like they need to, and they can’t get enough pass rush on Burrow.

Megatron96 · 01-23-2023, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jallmon

How about EB? He is around a very potent offense and superstar qb, and it would clear our coaching logjam.

Tbh, I have no idea exactly what EB does in terms of coming up with the gameplan (we know he helps out with the install, but how much outside of inserting a few plays?), or gets hands on with the QBs.

DRM08 · 01-23-2023, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

It happens, though. Visit this forum after a loss. You’ll see somebody has bumped the “Brett Veach is the best GM” thread and is openly mocking everybody who ever supported him.

When you lose in the playoffs, part of the coping process is thinking about what went wrong. The team roster is a big part of that, so we get a bunch of “here’s a list of players who suck! Our team is Mahomes, Kelce, and a bag of shit!!!!”

The Bills got mauled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Their fans probably got a lot of hand wringing to do

Cincy is a very physical team, which is a direct product of playing in a division with the Ravens, Steelers, & Browns. The AFC North is a slugfest division in terms of playing old school physical football. This is something both KC and Buffalo need to focus harder on moving forward. Eventually the Bengals will have to deal with the fallout of paying around $85-90M per year to Burrow & Chase and drafting at the bottom of the league every year, which will help other teams in the conference.

jerryaldini · 01-23-2023, 03:52 PM

2021 Allen was right there with Burrow, of course both less than Pat. His performance in that Divisional speaks for itself. Pretty clear migrating from Daboll to being more aggressive with Dorsey impacted him. He's more erratic and less accurate but the run dimension elevates him to tier 1 if the coaching reigns him in enough.

Vladimir_Kyrilytch · 01-23-2023, 04:11 PM

Josh Allen is absolutely tier one. In fantasy football, because of the excessive scoring for rushing production. In real life, he's a mental midget. He has little emotional control and I suspect he has a very low IQ. So no, in real life he's not tier one. But I won a league with him and got $120 for the win, so I won't have you say he wasn't a good player for my fantasy team, "Phallus of Malice".

DJ's left nut · 01-23-2023, 04:12 PM

And there's trouble in paradise...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2...-nfc-slugfest/

Diggs knows it's over. They had their shot and they missed it.

Now with that hefty contract tying him to Buffalo for 3 more years, he knows it's all over but the stats and the game checks.

Vladimir_Kyrilytch · 01-23-2023, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And there's trouble in paradise...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2...-nfc-slugfest/

Diggs knows it's over. They had their shot and they missed it.

Now with that hefty contract tying him to Buffalo for 3 more years, he knows it's all over but the stats and the game checks.

You gonna write their hagiography DJLN or you want me to cover this one?

Cosmos · 01-23-2023, 04:16 PM

Not much of a pass rusher either….as it turns out.

**Buehler445** · 01-23-2023, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And there's trouble in paradise...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2...-nfc-slugfest/

Diggs knows it's over. They had their shot and they missed it.

Now with that hefty contract tying him to Buffalo for 3 more years, he knows it's all over but the stats and the game checks.

I had that shit on mute, but I saw him yelling at Allen while Allen ignored him. I had forgotten they extended him in April, that looks...troublesome, considering he forced his way out of Minny because *GASP* Cousins threw some balls to Theilen.

I'm trying to remember. Is it a normal thing to just sit dead still while being berated? Seems like I haven't seen that before. Even when TO went off on McNabb he still engaged him. But I'm not up on my receiver drama.

Vladimir_Kyrilytch · 01-23-2023, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I had that shit on mute, but I saw him yelling at Allen while Allen ignored him. I had forgotten they extended him in April, that looks...troublesome, considering he forced his way out of Minny because *GASP* Cousins threw some balls to Theilen.

I'm trying to remember. Is it a normal thing to just sit dead still while being berated? Seems like I haven't seen that before. Even when TO went off on McNabb he still engaged him. But I'm not up on my receiver drama.

Is it a normal thing to sit dead while being berated? Ask any married man on Chiefs Planet. The answer is yes.

01-23-2023, 08:59 AM
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Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $2219655	23 turnovers this year by Allen. The most by any player over the past 3 seasons.
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01-23-2023, 03:52 PM	#69
jerryaldini MVP Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $4380400	2021 Allen was right there with Burrow, of course both less than Pat. His performance in that Divisional speaks for itself. Pretty clear migrating from Daboll to being more aggressive with Dorsey impacted him. He's more erratic and less accurate but the run dimension elevates him to tier 1 if the coaching reigns him in enough.
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01-23-2023, 04:11 PM	#70
Vladimir_Kyrilytch Veteran Join Date: Sep 2021 Casino cash: $2550400	Josh Allen is absolutely tier one. In fantasy football, because of the excessive scoring for rushing production. In real life, he's a mental midget. He has little emotional control and I suspect he has a very low IQ. So no, in real life he's not tier one. But I won a league with him and got $120 for the win, so I won't have you say he wasn't a good player for my fantasy team, "Phallus of Malice".
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01-23-2023, 04:12 PM	#71
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2759099	And there's trouble in paradise... https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2...-nfc-slugfest/ Diggs knows it's over. They had their shot and they missed it. Now with that hefty contract tying him to Buffalo for 3 more years, he knows it's all over but the stats and the game checks. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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01-23-2023, 04:16 PM	#73
Cosmos Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Casino cash: $4364900	Not much of a pass rusher either….as it turns out.
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