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Old 12-30-2018, 07:24 PM  
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Is Patrick Mahomes the greatest football player of all time in college AND the NFL?
No other QB has ever thrown for 5,000 yards and/or 50 in the NCAA and the NFL.

Yards-wise, you have several dudes who have thrown for 4k in college and in the pros. The next closest dude is Big Ben who had 4,486 in college and 4,952 in the NFL.

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Matt Ryan (4500/4900)
Phil Rivers (4500/4800)
Jared Goff (4700/4500)
Scott Mitchell (4300/4300)
Deshaun Watson (4600/4200)
Jameis Winston (4000/4100)
Derek Carr (4100/4000)
Touchdown wise, the next closest dude is Drew Brees. He threw 39 during his best college season and has two NFL seasons of 40+.

After that you get

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Peyton Manning (36/55)
Dan Marino (37/48)
Andrew Luck (37/40)
Ben Roethlisberger (37/32)
Derek Carr (50/32)
There are some pedestrian names who have joined the 4k club, and but given the combination of yards AND touchdowns, and the fact that there are seven hall of famers here that will never do what Mahomes has done in his first season...

I'm pretty sure Mahomes is the greatest football player of all time.
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Old 12-30-2018, 08:01 PM   #16
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With averages of 29 points, 8.3 rebounds, 5.7 assists, and 3.3 steals per game,

James averaged 31.6 points, 9.6 rebounds, 4.6 assists, and 3.4 steals per game
Couldn't even average a triple double.

LeBron is removed from consideration.
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Old 12-30-2018, 09:37 PM   #17
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Greatest of all time? That's a bit of a stretch at this point. Brady has how many rings?
I know Brady is 5-3 in the SB, but I call Brady the best winner to ever play QB. For me, he is absolutely NOT the greatest QB ever.

For me, it will always be Montana, until Mahomes finishes his career. Montana was 4-0 in his 4 SB wins, and threw 16 TD passes and ZERO interceptions.

It's like the Russell/Chamberlain argument. Russell was the winner, but Wilt was the better player.

I would also put Rodgers ahead of Brady, because with the exception of Mahomes this season, I have never watched a QB with better skills than Rodgers. It's almost criminal how the Packers organization failed to surround him with a big time RB or WR over the length of his entire career.

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I know Brady is 5-3 in the SB, but I call Brady the best winner to ever play QB. For me, he is absolutely NOT the greatest QB ever.

For me, it will always be Montana, until Mahomes finishes his career. Montana was 4-0 in his 4 SB wins, and threw 16 TD passes and ZERO interceptions.

It's like the Russell/Chamberlain argument. Russell was the winner, but Wilt was the better player.

I would also put Rodgers ahead of Brady, because with the exception of Mahomes this season, I have never watched a QB with better skills than Rodgers. It's almost criminal how the Packers organization failed to surround him with a big time RB or WR over the length of his entire career.

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Yeah, well... Rogers is a dickhead and that's it's own set of problems.

Mahomes has ALL of his talent and is an awesome guy who's not hated by his teammates, coaches, and even his own ****ing family.

Being good at your job, any job, is great. Rogers is toxic. Everyone who leaves that team will tell you he's a ****ing dickhead.
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Couldn't even average a triple double.

LeBron is removed from consideration.



The GOAT NBA player has to be there.
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I know Brady is 5-3 in the SB, but I call Brady the best winner to ever play QB. For me, he is absolutely NOT the greatest QB ever.

For me, it will always be Montana, until Mahomes finishes his career. Montana was 4-0 in his 4 SB wins, and threw 16 TD passes and ZERO interceptions.

This debate is the only time that a player is REWARDED for LOSING in a conference championship game.

And the NFC trounced the AFC EVERY freaking year back then. It was a joke. And everyone who was around to watch then knew it. The actual Super Bowl was the NFCCG every damn year, and the SB was just a beat down most of the time.

But somehow that means Montana > Brady.

You realize that Brady's W-L differential is more than Montana's TOTAL wins, including all losses?

I'm fine with picking Montana over Brady based on whatever you saw, if you watched. Montana was more mobile, etc. etc. But this whole 4-0 in SBs thing, while ignoring NFCCG losses like 49-3.

Brady's playoff winning percentage is higher than Montana's.

Meh, whatever. It's not really a debate that can be "answered" so take your choice. I loved Montana and think he was great too. Whether it's 1-2 or 2-1, whatever.
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No other QB has ever thrown for 5,000 yards and/or 50 in the NCAA and the NFL.

Yards-wise, you have several dudes who have thrown for 4k in college and in the pros. The next closest dude is Big Ben who had 4,486 in college and 4,952 in the NFL.

After that you get



Touchdown wise, the next closest dude is Drew Brees. He threw 39 during his best college season and has two NFL seasons of 40+.

After that you get



There are some pedestrian names who have joined the 4k club, and but given the combination of yards AND touchdowns, and the fact that there are seven hall of famers here that will never do what Mahomes has done in his first season...

I'm pretty sure Mahomes is the greatest football player of all time.
Probably not. Dan Marino would throw 75 TD's in this Andy Reid scheme.
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Jordan and Gretzky were undoubtedly the greatest in their sport.

Now we will soon undoubtedly have another, Patrick Mahomes.
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Jordan and Gretzky were undoubtedly the greatest in their sport.

Now we will soon undoubtedly have another, Patrick Mahomes.
Replace Jordan with LeBron and you are accurate on all fronts.
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This debate is the only time that a player is REWARDED for LOSING in a conference championship game.



And the NFC trounced the AFC EVERY freaking year back then. It was a joke. And everyone who was around to watch then knew it. The actual Super Bowl was the NFCCG every damn year, and the SB was just a beat down most of the time.



But somehow that means Montana > Brady.



You realize that Brady's W-L differential is more than Montana's TOTAL wins, including all losses?



I'm fine with picking Montana over Brady based on whatever you saw, if you watched. Montana was more mobile, etc. etc. But this whole 4-0 in SBs thing, while ignoring NFCCG losses like 49-3.



Brady's playoff winning percentage is higher than Montana's.



Meh, whatever. It's not really a debate that can be "answered" so take your choice. I loved Montana and think he was great too. Whether it's 1-2 or 2-1, whatever.
I know you believe Brady is the best, as I suspect every single Pats fan living or dead does, and you should, because that's your team.

But I do not believe that Brady is a better QB than Montana. Sorry. I don't believe he is better than Rodgers. Sorry. I think he is the greatest winner in the history of the NFL. Maybe you think that I am being insulting, but calling him the best winner to ever play football is meant as a compliment.

I remember watching the NFC dominate the AFC in the SB every year. The uneven balance of power does not diminish Montana's greatness in the Super Bowl. He didn't have a say in who the 49ers played. What he did was play nearly perfect, mistake free football on the biggest stage, against the best team from the AFC. 16 TDs against 0 INTs.

What Brady has done, appearing in 8 Super Bowls, winning 5 of them, will probably never happen again. But, judging who the best QB in NFL history is subjective, and I pick Montana.

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Replace Jordan with LeBron and you are accurate on all fronts.
I know you have a man crush on Lebron, but you can't really say the guy with less MVPs, less Finals MVPs, 9 fewer scoring titles, less playoff ppg, 4 less All-Defensive first teams, no Defensive Player of the year award, 3 less steals leader and of course 3 fewer rings is better than Jordan, the undoubted GOAT.
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