What is your stance on aliens?

[mr. tegu]

I am curious to see where everyone stands on this. Asking about a stance on UFOs could be a different topic with different options so feel to give your thoughts on that as well.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Nothing I've seen is up for your judgement, nor will it ever be.

I am highly credible with a wealth of experience watching the sky for all kinds of things... and you wanna throw out the acid trip hypothesis? ... you are some kind of tool, arent you?

Paraphrase "if someone describes a craft they've seen thats one thing, then it all comes down to credibility"... guess I dont cut the mustard for you, and I couldnt give a shit less. The things you dont know could fill a warehouse.

This thread never ceases to entertain. Now you are invoking the Appeal to Authority fallacy, and you are holding YOURSELF up as the authority.

Outstanding!

[loochy]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

And it could be your mom on a broom - c'mon - if I rolled up to a crime scene where the guy that did it was telling this line I crap I would laugh my ass off all the way to his holding cell.

"it was the creatures that live on the bottom of the ocean"

Now what makes "creatures from the bottom of the ocean" any less plausible than "space aliens"?

[ptlyon]

I think we found our culprit

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=78

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by loochy

Now what makes "creatures from the bottom of the ocean" any less plausible than "space aliens"?

The infinite size and possibility of space vs. the finite restrictions of our specific ocean.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

That's why I mock and ridicule anyone who insists that a few unexplained lights in the sky are definitive proof that aliens have arrived. Any reasonable person would require a helluva lot more proof than that. Show me a living alien and I'll be on board. Show me a dead alien or a space ship, and I'll be on board.

People who say this don't seem to understand they sound every bit as stupid as the person saying they met lizard people on a UFO.

You don't agree there are Lizard people in UFO's. You don't agree that they actually experienced what they say they did. Hallucination, mental illness, there are a number of more probable explanations out there.

And that makes sense.

But then you say "but by golly if I see it, well, that makes it real."
No, it doesn't. By your own argument it just means you've now hallucinated or become unwell yourself. You've become the same unreliable witness you don't respect now.

Our known senses are very unreliable. We can manipulate them ourselves and we do every day. When we watch Alex Smith throw an interception we are not actually watching him do it. We are not there - we are not at the stadium - Alex Smith is not in our living room. We have manipulated light and sound to make it appear that we are there.

Imagine how real that game might look 6,000 years from now...

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Rausch

People who say this don't seem to understand they sound every bit as stupid as the person saying they met lizard people on a UFO.

You don't agree there are Lizard people in UFO's. You don't agree that they actually experienced what they say they did. Hallucination, mental illness, there are a number of more probable explanations out there.

And that makes sense.

But then you say "but by golly if I see it, well, that makes it real."
No, it doesn't. By your own argument it just means you've now hallucinated or become unwell yourself. You've become the same unreliable witness you don't respect now.

Our known senses are very unreliable. We can manipulate them ourselves and we do every day. When we watch Alex Smith throw an interception we are not actually watching him do it. We are not there - we are not at the stadium - Alex Smith is not in our living room. We have manipulated light and sound to make it appear that we are there.

Imagine how real that game might look 6,000 years from now...

You misunderstood the point I was making. I'll accept partial responsibility for that because I probably should have stated it more clearly.

I was not elevating myself to the authority that I would believe if only I could personally be the one to see something. I was stating that lights in the sky are not enough: We need actual tangible evidence that remains long after the lights have vanished. A living alien would provide that evidence. So would a dead one. So would a spaceship.

Those are things that are not so easily explained away. Lights in the sky are easily explained away.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

I was not elevating myself to the authority that I would believe if only I could personally be the one to see something. I was stating that lights in the sky are not enough: We need actual tangible evidence that remains long after the lights have vanished. A living alien would provide that evidence. So would a dead one. So would a spaceship.

Those are things that are not so easily explained away. Lights in the sky are easily explained away.

Understood.

And I'm not ready to just throw away the "abduction" experience. I think in some cases these people actually remember what they say they do. I think they're being honest.

A lot of the time people report seeing people in uniforms or helicopters or some type of government presence in the area. It's common knowledge that different combinations and durations of light can cause seizures or a hypnotic effect even in those that don't have any history of them. A lot of times these experiences seem to happen near military bases.

And we know from sex abuse and UFO cases that when people undergo hypnosis it's very easy to have false memories implanted. Researchers and therapists do this all the time without meaning to so I'm sure a govt. program could achieve much better results IF that was the aim.

If the military wanted to do a Tuskegee-like experiment today they could use a UFO abduction cover. Abduct Brainiac, inject him with the super-AIDS-bola, implant a false memory of ass play and aliens, and drop you back off. Pick you back up in 6 months, repeat, see the results.

I'm not saying it's probable but if I'm going to entertain for even one second an alien option I'd have to consider something a million times more likely, such as the military/government being behind it...

[Kman34]

Cartman says aliens exist....

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Understood.

And I'm not ready to just throw away the "abduction" experience. I think in some cases these people actually remember what they say they do. I think they're being honest.

A lot of the time people report seeing people in uniforms or helicopters or some type of government presence in the area. It's common knowledge that different combinations and durations of light can cause seizures or a hypnotic effect even in those that don't have any history of them. A lot of times these experiences seem to happen near military bases.

And we know from sex abuse and UFO cases that when people undergo hypnosis it's very easy to have false memories implanted. Researchers and therapists do this all the time without meaning to so I'm sure a govt. program could achieve much better results IF that was the aim.

If the military wanted to do a Tuskegee-like experiment today they could use a UFO abduction cover. Abduct Brainiac, inject him with the super-AIDS-bola, implant a false memory of ass play and aliens, and drop you back off. Pick you back up in 6 months, repeat, see the results.

I'm not saying it's probable but if I'm going to entertain for even one second an alien option I'd have to consider something a million times more likely, such as the military/government being behind it...

I agree. I made a similar comment earlier in this thread.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

We need actual tangible evidence that remains long after the lights have vanished. A living alien would provide that evidence. So would a dead one. So would a spaceship.

Define "we."

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Define "we."

The general public and the mass media. If a live alien is found, put him on national TV. If a dead alien is found, make all information about it a matter of public record and make the body available for examination by multiple entities, including (but absolutely not be limited to) government agencies. Same for an alien space ship.

Conspiracy theorists and UFO fanatics will claim that the government already has this and is keeping it all secret. I disagree. It would be easy to prove me wrong.

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by loochy

I know, right? We don't know what aliens look like. For all we know, there could be a race of flying peanut butter and banana sandwiches.

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Hollywood has almost exclusively portrayed aliens as hominoid or humanoid. I think that's part of the issue: popular thought reflects the idea of life as we know it. Same issue that religion has in trying to make a truly alien concept like a deity think and act human, as if we could understand its actions and motives. Human nature. I get that. Of course we're in God's image. Of course extraterrestrial life would be just like us. That's what we're trained to believe, at least in the west. Humans are special. The center of everything. Whereas I think it's possible if not likely that life exists in a myriad of forms, forms we might not even recognize as even being life. As we know it.

I've asked this questions many times.....what does that mean? what does "in God's image" really mean?? two arms, two legs, one head? God can't be white and black and hispanic. so what does "in his image" mean. and what if a day to God is a billion years. if so....then evolution and the bible may not be so much at odds.
and....nowhere in the bible does it say He made only us. maybe he made some green dudes somewhere else....

[loochy]

Originally Posted by frankotank

I've asked this questions many times.....what does that mean? what does "in God's image" really mean?? two arms, two legs, one head? God can't be white and black and hispanic. so what does "in his image" mean. and what if a day to God is a billion years. if so....then evolution and the bible may not be so much at odds.
and....nowhere in the bible does it say He made only us. maybe he made some green dudes somewhere else....

What if "in God's image" means "carbon based"?

What if it means "made out of cells"?

What if it means "about 6 feet tall and 160 lbs"?

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

The general public and the mass media. If a live alien is found, put him on national TV. If a dead alien is found, make all information about it a matter of public record and make the body available for examination by multiple entities, including (but absolutely not be limited to) government agencies. Same for an alien space ship.

Conspiracy theorists and UFO fanatics will claim that the government already has this and is keeping it all secret. I disagree. It would be easy to prove me wrong.