Football Report: Orlando Brown requests trade from Ravens, wants to play LT - Page 37

Sofa King · 02-10-2021, 01:40 PM

Moving on from Fisher? Probably not.

Cap room for him? Not really, but moves could be made.

Draft capital for him? Maybe, but we're awfully low in the draft.

Tunsil trade (For record-keeping purposes, the trade saw the Dolphins acquire first-round picks in 2020 and 2021 and a second-round pick in 2021 along with offensive tackle Julién Davenport and defensive back Johnson Bademosi in exchange for Tunsil, wide receiver Kenny Stills, a 2020 fourth-round pick and a 2021 sixth-round selection.)

https://www.nfl.com/news/orlando-bro...nts-to-play-lt

It only took the Ravens a little over a year to learn their selection of Orlando Brown was a wise one, but they've met a new challenge with the tackle that could be their last.

Brown has expressed his desire to be traded, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday. After spending the majority of 2020 on the left side in place of the injured Ronnie Stanley, Brown has found his comfort zone and does not want to return to the right side. He'll only play for a team that will line him up at his preferred left tackle position, per Rapoport.

Rapoport added the Ravens value Brown significantly and would need major compensation in order to do a deal.

Brown's background is on the left side, but he ended up in Baltimore as a right tackle after a poor pre-draft showing saw him slide from a first-round projection to an eventual third-round pick of the Ravens. He blossomed in 2019 and especially in 2020 after switching to the left side to replace Stanley, earning his second straight trip to the Pro Bowl -- and first as an initial selection. Thanks to Brown's quick adjustment to the left side of the line, Baltimore didn't lose much in offensive production following Stanley's injury, finishing as the league's No. 1 rushing offense for a second straight season.

Brown's success on the left side and desire to remain there might very well also be tied to the financial ramifications of the tackle position. As it currently stands, there is a $5 million per year difference between the league's highest-paid right tackle (Philadelphia's Lane Johnson) and left tackle (Green Bay's David Bakhtiari). Of the top 10 highest-paid tackles in the NFL (in terms of average salary per year), only two -- Johnson and Las Vegas' Trent Brown -- are right tackles.

Orlando Brown missed out on significant money typically afforded to first-round picks right around the moment when he racked the bar after just 14 bench-press reps during a nightmarish 2018 NFL Scouting Combine. He's made a little over $1.8 million in base salary total in his first three seasons, and though he will see a significant boost in 2021 (base salary of $3.38 million) due to the structure of his rookie deal, that's still an incredibly far cry from where tackles of his level land in compensation ranking.

After demonstrating his ability to effectively handle the transition from right to left tackle -- a return to his roots, essentially -- Brown is in a prime position to capitalize financially and beyond. He'll maximize his earning potential by remaining a left tackle, and he'll probably enjoy playing the game a bit more in a stance and vantage point that's more familiar to him, anyway.

If that doesn't fit in Baltimore, the Ravens will have to move him. And though this isn't exactly the best way to ensure maximum leverage in a deal, they'll probably still get a haul for him.

staylor26 · 04-15-2021, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

The Raiders need defense. They’d be dumb to take a RT that high.

Yea, going OL with their 1st pick makes no sense when you consider that and what they did to their OL this offseason.

**The Franchise** · 04-15-2021, 01:27 PM

If anyone is going to take Jenkins in front of us.....my guess would either be the Colts or the Steelers

htismaqe · 04-15-2021, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

What is it you don’t like about Jenkins? I think his arm length is passable. He has good quick feet, decent hands and very good strength.

He may not be as athletic as Fisher, but he’s way stronger. Dude did 36 reps on the bench and can anchor very well.

Remember Fisher getting walked back to the QB by elite pass rushers? That ain’t happening to Jenkins

He lacks lateral agility and the ability to maneuver in space. He's a "phone booth" tackle.

A lot of scouts think he'll be a guard in the NFL. I don't think that screams left tackle for a team like the Chiefs. For the Colts or Steelers maybe but not Andy Reid.

staylor26 · 04-15-2021, 01:46 PM

I think you’re making the mistake of believing that since he’s not the athlete that Fisher is, that means he’s not a fit here.

His athleticism, including his “lateral agility”, is adequate for this offense.

You’re taking him because on top of that, he’s extremely strong and plays a nasty brand of football. Something we clearly have been missing. I get the sense that Veach and Andy are sick of watching the OL getting pushed around and are willing to sacrifice a little athleticism for some power/strength and toughness.

I keep saying it and you refuse to acknowledge it for some reason, but the guy just about completely shut out Ossai who has legit NFL length and speed to go with a non-stop motor. That tape is extremely impressive. He’s gone against some other NFL caliber rushers like Perkins too.

ModSocks · 04-15-2021, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I keep saying it and you refuse to acknowledge it for some reason, but the guy just about completely shut out Ossai who has legit NFL length and speed to go with a non-stop motor. That tape is extremely impressive.

It's funny that you say that, because someone sent a tweet to Chris Simms saying exactly that.

Chris' response was something like, "Yeah, well i can show you a bunch of guys who won't play a down in the NFL who shut out Ossai too".

htismaqe · 04-15-2021, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

His athleticism, including his “lateral agility”, is adequate for this offense.

I don't believe it is adequate, that's the issue. And there's more than a few scouting reports that don't think he's adequate either. In fact, they think he'll end up inside because of it.

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Originally Posted by staylor26

You’re taking him because on top of that, he’s extremely strong and plays a nasty brand of football.

I get that the fans think that nastiness is cool. The fans want a pass catching complement to Travis Kelce and a jump-ball WR opposite Tyreek Hill. It should be pretty obvious by now that what the fans like and what Andy wants are quite different.

I mean honestly, when has Andy ever brought a "nasty" OL like that to KC? Schwartz? Wylie? Reiter? Like I said earlier, maybe they're changing things up a bit and changing what they look for but until now, that nastiness hasn't been something they've valued at all. Just look at Fisher.

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I keep saying it and you refuse to acknowledge it for some reason, but the guy just about completely shut out Ossai who has legit NFL length and speed to go with a non-stop motor. That tape is extremely impressive.

That's one guy. I haven't watched enough the matchup to understand why Ossai in particular was ineffective against him. I'm talking about his entire body of work (at a high level of course because I don't have time to sit down and watch every game he's ever played).

I mean, I watched Rashawn Slater stonewall Chase Young but then get burnt repeatedly by AJ Epinesa. Watching as much B10 football as I do, I actually know why. I don't know that in Jenkins' case because I haven't seen him play as much as Slater.

htismaqe · 04-15-2021, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

It's funny that you say that, because someone sent a tweet to Chris Simms saying exactly that.

Chris' response was something like, "Yeah, well i can show you a bunch of guys who won't play a down in the NFL who shut out Ossai too".

He probably can. I highly doubt he's lying.

You can't just look at 1-on-1 matchups alone.

staylor26 · 04-15-2021, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

It's funny that you say that, because someone sent a tweet to Chris Simms saying exactly that.

Chris' response was something like, "Yeah, well i can show you a bunch of guys who won't play a down in the NFL who shut out Ossai too".

I think that’s a lazy response from Chris.

The point isn’t that shutting out Ossai was extremely impressive alone. It’s how he handled the speed and length.

staylor26 · 04-15-2021, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He probably can. I highly doubt he's lying.

You can't just look at 1-on-1 matchups alone.

Alone?

No, but it is exactly what I’m looking for when evaluating prospects. I don’t want to see Jenkins against WV. I want to see him against guys like Ossai and Perkins. It’s exactly why Senior Bowl week is so valuable.

I want to see a T versus speed. Then I was to see him versus power.

Can you show me some examples of Jenkins struggling with speed that would concern you?

ModSocks · 04-15-2021, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I think that’s a lazy response from Chris.

The point isn’t that shutting out Ossai was extremely impressive alone. It’s how he handled the speed and length.

I think it was more that Chris isn't all that impressed with Ossai. So he doesn't lend much credit to Jenkins handling him.

staylor26 · 04-15-2021, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I think it was more that Chris isn't all that impressed with Ossai. So he doesn't lend much credit to Jenkins handling him.

You don’t have to be overly impressed with Ossai to understand that he has legitimate NFL length and speed and Jenkins had no problems with it for the entire game.

Simms is pretty much worthless outside of evaluating QB’s. So this doesn’t surprise me at all.

RunKC · 04-15-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I think you’re making the mistake of believing that since he’s not the athlete that Fisher is, that means he’s not a fit here.

His athleticism, including his “lateral agility”, is adequate for this offense.

You’re taking him because on top of that, he’s extremely strong and plays a nasty brand of football. Something we clearly have been missing. I get the sense that Veach and Andy are sick of watching the OL getting pushed around and are willing to sacrifice a little athleticism for some power/strength and toughness.

I keep saying it and you refuse to acknowledge it for some reason, but the guy just about completely shut out Ossai who has legit NFL length and speed to go with a non-stop motor. That tape is extremely impressive. He’s gone against some other NFL caliber rushers like Perkins too.

I think they had a revelation last year. They saw Osemele come in and kick ass and it made a world of difference from just one guy at LG. Now they want more guys like him instead of finesse pass protectors.

Like I said before, I think they changed their mindset last year overall. They drafted a RB and LB with our first 2 picks then drafted a DE with T-Rex arms.

I have to wonder if they want to focus on a more well rounded OL to help protect Patrick by running the ball more in times against heavy pressure

staylor26 · 04-15-2021, 02:07 PM

They signed Osemele last year, they went after Williams, they wanted Hudson, they replaced Reiter with Blythe (much better run blocker, not as good of a pass blocker).....

They clearly want to get bigger and tougher on the OL. How can you not see that?

Also htismaqe, calling Jenkins “nasty” and seeing what he brings there isn’t just some silly fan cliche like you’re making it out to be. That guys is legitimately ****ing mean on the field. It’s the first thing everybody says about him for a reason, and it’s also the reason many people see a potentially dangerous fit next to Nelson in Indy. Suggesting we could use it isn’t either. Did you watch our OL the last 2 Super Bowls? Granted, injuries and all, but this OL has always been a bit too finesse and tends to get pushed around by overly physical fronts.

**BossChief** · 04-15-2021, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mkp785

I'd love for him, Rosseneau or (smaller chance) Caleb Farley to fall to 31. Farley would be amazing since he was the highest ranked CB that I saw, till his injury whatevers. Hopefully with all these QBs going in the 1st there will be some quality guys at our spot.

Corley had recent back surgery and teams don’t have the same medical access to players as normal.

I can see him falling into the mid second for that reason alone. Maybe even as far as pick 50 or so.

staylor26 · 04-15-2021, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Corley had recent back surgery and teams don’t have the same medical access to players as normal.

I can see him falling into the mid second for that reason alone. Maybe even as far as pick 50 or so.

Schefter recently tweeted that he’s been cleared and should go in the 1st round.

02-10-2021, 01:40 PM
Sofa King Hello Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Dakota Casino cash: $972096 VARSITY	Report: Orlando Brown requests trade from Ravens, wants to play LT Moving on from Fisher? Probably not. Cap room for him? Not really, but moves could be made. Draft capital for him? Maybe, but we're awfully low in the draft. Tunsil trade (For record-keeping purposes, the trade saw the Dolphins acquire first-round picks in 2020 and 2021 and a second-round pick in 2021 along with offensive tackle Julién Davenport and defensive back Johnson Bademosi in exchange for Tunsil, wide receiver Kenny Stills, a 2020 fourth-round pick and a 2021 sixth-round selection.) https://www.nfl.com/news/orlando-bro...nts-to-play-lt It only took the Ravens a little over a year to learn their selection of Orlando Brown was a wise one, but they've met a new challenge with the tackle that could be their last. Brown has expressed his desire to be traded, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday. After spending the majority of 2020 on the left side in place of the injured Ronnie Stanley, Brown has found his comfort zone and does not want to return to the right side. He'll only play for a team that will line him up at his preferred left tackle position, per Rapoport. Rapoport added the Ravens value Brown significantly and would need major compensation in order to do a deal. Brown's background is on the left side, but he ended up in Baltimore as a right tackle after a poor pre-draft showing saw him slide from a first-round projection to an eventual third-round pick of the Ravens. He blossomed in 2019 and especially in 2020 after switching to the left side to replace Stanley, earning his second straight trip to the Pro Bowl -- and first as an initial selection. Thanks to Brown's quick adjustment to the left side of the line, Baltimore didn't lose much in offensive production following Stanley's injury, finishing as the league's No. 1 rushing offense for a second straight season. Brown's success on the left side and desire to remain there might very well also be tied to the financial ramifications of the tackle position. As it currently stands, there is a $5 million per year difference between the league's highest-paid right tackle (Philadelphia's Lane Johnson) and left tackle (Green Bay's David Bakhtiari). Of the top 10 highest-paid tackles in the NFL (in terms of average salary per year), only two -- Johnson and Las Vegas' Trent Brown -- are right tackles. Orlando Brown missed out on significant money typically afforded to first-round picks right around the moment when he racked the bar after just 14 bench-press reps during a nightmarish 2018 NFL Scouting Combine. He's made a little over $1.8 million in base salary total in his first three seasons, and though he will see a significant boost in 2021 (base salary of $3.38 million) due to the structure of his rookie deal, that's still an incredibly far cry from where tackles of his level land in compensation ranking. After demonstrating his ability to effectively handle the transition from right to left tackle -- a return to his roots, essentially -- Brown is in a prime position to capitalize financially and beyond. He'll maximize his earning potential by remaining a left tackle, and he'll probably enjoy playing the game a bit more in a stance and vantage point that's more familiar to him, anyway. If that doesn't fit in Baltimore, the Ravens will have to move him. And though this isn't exactly the best way to ensure maximum leverage in a deal, they'll probably still get a haul for him.
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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $1689040	I think you’re making the mistake of believing that since he’s not the athlete that Fisher is, that means he’s not a fit here. His athleticism, including his “lateral agility”, is adequate for this offense. You’re taking him because on top of that, he’s extremely strong and plays a nasty brand of football. Something we clearly have been missing. I get the sense that Veach and Andy are sick of watching the OL getting pushed around and are willing to sacrifice a little athleticism for some power/strength and toughness. I keep saying it and you refuse to acknowledge it for some reason, but the guy just about completely shut out Ossai who has legit NFL length and speed to go with a non-stop motor. That tape is extremely impressive. He’s gone against some other NFL caliber rushers like Perkins too.
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04-15-2021, 02:07 PM	#553
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $1689040	They signed Osemele last year, they went after Williams, they wanted Hudson, they replaced Reiter with Blythe (much better run blocker, not as good of a pass blocker)..... They clearly want to get bigger and tougher on the OL. How can you not see that? Also htismaqe, calling Jenkins “nasty” and seeing what he brings there isn’t just some silly fan cliche like you’re making it out to be. That guys is legitimately ****ing mean on the field. It’s the first thing everybody says about him for a reason, and it’s also the reason many people see a potentially dangerous fit next to Nelson in Indy. Suggesting we could use it isn’t either. Did you watch our OL the last 2 Super Bowls? Granted, injuries and all, but this OL has always been a bit too finesse and tends to get pushed around by overly physical fronts.
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