Report: Orlando Brown requests trade from Ravens, wants to play LT

[Sofa King]

Moving on from Fisher? Probably not.

Cap room for him? Not really, but moves could be made.

Draft capital for him? Maybe, but we're awfully low in the draft.

Tunsil trade (For record-keeping purposes, the trade saw the Dolphins acquire first-round picks in 2020 and 2021 and a second-round pick in 2021 along with offensive tackle Julién Davenport and defensive back Johnson Bademosi in exchange for Tunsil, wide receiver Kenny Stills, a 2020 fourth-round pick and a 2021 sixth-round selection.)



https://www.nfl.com/news/orlando-bro...nts-to-play-lt


It only took the Ravens a little over a year to learn their selection of Orlando Brown was a wise one, but they've met a new challenge with the tackle that could be their last.

Brown has expressed his desire to be traded, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday. After spending the majority of 2020 on the left side in place of the injured Ronnie Stanley, Brown has found his comfort zone and does not want to return to the right side. He'll only play for a team that will line him up at his preferred left tackle position, per Rapoport.

Rapoport added the Ravens value Brown significantly and would need major compensation in order to do a deal.

Brown's background is on the left side, but he ended up in Baltimore as a right tackle after a poor pre-draft showing saw him slide from a first-round projection to an eventual third-round pick of the Ravens. He blossomed in 2019 and especially in 2020 after switching to the left side to replace Stanley, earning his second straight trip to the Pro Bowl -- and first as an initial selection. Thanks to Brown's quick adjustment to the left side of the line, Baltimore didn't lose much in offensive production following Stanley's injury, finishing as the league's No. 1 rushing offense for a second straight season.

Brown's success on the left side and desire to remain there might very well also be tied to the financial ramifications of the tackle position. As it currently stands, there is a $5 million per year difference between the league's highest-paid right tackle (Philadelphia's Lane Johnson) and left tackle (Green Bay's David Bakhtiari). Of the top 10 highest-paid tackles in the NFL (in terms of average salary per year), only two -- Johnson and Las Vegas' Trent Brown -- are right tackles.

Orlando Brown missed out on significant money typically afforded to first-round picks right around the moment when he racked the bar after just 14 bench-press reps during a nightmarish 2018 NFL Scouting Combine. He's made a little over $1.8 million in base salary total in his first three seasons, and though he will see a significant boost in 2021 (base salary of $3.38 million) due to the structure of his rookie deal, that's still an incredibly far cry from where tackles of his level land in compensation ranking.

After demonstrating his ability to effectively handle the transition from right to left tackle -- a return to his roots, essentially -- Brown is in a prime position to capitalize financially and beyond. He'll maximize his earning potential by remaining a left tackle, and he'll probably enjoy playing the game a bit more in a stance and vantage point that's more familiar to him, anyway.


If that doesn't fit in Baltimore, the Ravens will have to move him. And though this isn't exactly the best way to ensure maximum leverage in a deal, they'll probably still get a haul for him.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Not at all.

That would imply that I'm upset, or would be upset, by such a move.

I won't be. If they trade up, so be it. I'll be fine with whatever they do.

That being said, I'm not going to say it's a good idea because it's not a good idea.

There’s the problem. How can you say this when we don’t even know what exactly the trade up would be and who it would be for?

It’s ridiculously premature to come to that conclusion without knowing any of the details.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by staylor26

There’s the problem. How can you say this when we don’t even know what exactly the trade up would be and who it would be for?

It’s ridiculously premature to come to that conclusion without knowing any of the details.

Because that’s all anyone can do at this point. They can look at the situation and base an opinion on it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

There’s the problem. How can you say this when we don’t even know what exactly the trade up would be and who it would be for?

It’s ridiculously premature to come to that conclusion without knowing any of the details.

So then let's limit the scope.

Trading up for a left tackle, in this particular draft, would be a bad idea.

We know to a certain extent what the position groupings are and largely where they will fall

Trading up for one of the top 3 would simply be too costly, regardless of who they pick.

Trading up for one of the 2nd bunch possibly nets you a guy like Cosmi, but most of the guys in that grouping either lack in pass blocking or are destined to be guards in the NFL.

If they want to trade up for a WR, DE, or even a guy like Micah Parsons, sure. But we've been talking about left tackles, and almost exclusively left tackles, for over a month.

I stand by what I said in that context - trading up for a left tackle, in this draft, is a bad idea. We could get a better fit, with higher upside, by letting the draft play out.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Because that’s all anyone can do at this point. They can look at the situation and base an opinion on it.

I’ve been one of the first to argue that we don’t have to trade up for a T or even take one at 31.

But it makes no sense to criticize a trade that hasn’t happened yet. I mean, it would make sense to criticize a hypothetical trade with details, but just the mere idea of one? I don’t get that at all.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’ve been one of the first to argue that we don’t have to trade up for a T or even take one at 31.

But it makes no sense to criticize a trade that hasn’t happened yet. I mean, it would make sense to criticize a hypothetical trade with details, but just the mere idea of one? I don’t get that at all.

Because I've looked at all the scenarios I can and I don't see one that is acceptable.

If there were a hypothetical trade with details that I could pst and say "this one looks good" or "this one looks bad" I would.

But I don't see ANY that look good to me. At least not any that are better than taking another skill position player at 31 and a LT at 63.

It's much simpler to just say I wouldn't trade up this year for a LT because I wouldn't. I don't see any specific trades that would make me say the Chiefs did the prudent thing.

[staylor26]

That’s fine, but you sound just as ridiculous as the people that say we have to trade up or we have to take a LT in the 1st.

It’s all talking in absolutes.

And you aren’t Doctor Strange sir. You haven’t thought of every single scenario and possibility lol.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That’s fine, but you sound just as ridiculous as the people that say we have to trade up or we have to take a LT in the 1st.

It’s all talking in absolutes.

And no, you aren’t Doctor Strange. You haven’t thought of every single scenario and possibility lol.

No, I'm not actually talking in absolutes.

An absolute would be saying that we shouldn't trade up for any position ever in any draft.

I've been very specific that this is about THIS draft and specifically about left tackles. It's true that I haven't thought of every single scenario or possibility. I'm not omniscient, that's a fact.

But I'm not speaking in blanket statements. I'm speaking in terms of looking at all the possibilities I could see for trading up and not liking any of them. That's quite specific and not general or absolute at all. Soley because a scenario could arise as to which I'm not currently aware that could change my mind. I just haven't seen it yet.

Which leads me to this - if you have such a beef with my take on the situation, feel free to offer up a scenario that will change my mind.

[htismaqe]

Also, there's a huge difference between my stance and the stance that we MUST trade up.

For one, the idea that we have to trade up is based on the idea that top flight left tackles almost always come from the top of the 1st round and only from the top fo the first round. That's an absolute, actually.

For me, I'm open to any and all means to acquire a left tackle, including trading up, IF the proper and prudent scenario presents itself. I'm not saying we MUST NOT trade up, I'm saying I don't see a situation where that would be a good move.

[staylor26]

Fair enough, but I don’t think the idea of trading up for a position as important as LT should be so easily dismissed when we have no clue how things are going to play out.

[Chris Meck]

to trade up, it would have to be because Veach, Reid, and Heck all three are just in love with a specific player.

I don't see a guy that would be that kind of player at OT.

I'm entirely uncertain that some of these 2nd and 3rd tier guys won't end up being better pros than any of the consensus first 3 guys. I'm not sure Darrisaw isn't a bust; I don't like seeing multiple reports of poor effort.

The Chiefs may well think otherwise, and if they do I won't complain, but I would be surprised.

[BossChief]

Darrisaw plays very very similarly to Trent Williams.

I just watched him on GMF snd here’s some things about him...

He models his game off Trent Williams.
He didn’t give up a sack last year.
He didn’t get his QB hit last year.
He’s very kind off the field, but is violent on the field.

I’d have no problem giving up next years first to move up for him, if that’s possible on draft day.

No problem at all.

He could be special.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Darrisaw plays very very similarly to Trent Williams.

I just watched him on GMF snd here’s some things about him...

He models his game off Trent Williams.
He didn’t give up a sack last year.
He didn’t get his QB hit last year.
He’s very kind off the field, but is violent on the field.

I’d have no problem giving up next years first to move up for him, if that’s possible on draft day.

No problem at all.

He could be special.

He also takes plays off and plays down to lesser competition. Comes from an offense that didn’t drop back a ton in pass sets.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Darrisaw plays very very similarly to Trent Williams.

I just watched him on GMF snd here’s some things about him...

He models his game off Trent Williams.
He didn’t give up a sack last year.
He didn’t get his QB hit last year.
He’s very kind off the field, but is violent on the field.

I’d have no problem giving up next years first to move up for him, if that’s possible on draft day.

No problem at all.

He could be special.

My bet is that he will be a Charger.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Fair enough, but I don’t think the idea of trading up for a position as important as LT should be so easily dismissed when we have no clue how things are going to play out.

If Darrisaw falls into the late teens or 20's, for example, then the idea of trading up becomes much more palatable.

But as it stands right now, most draftniks have Darrisaw going to the Chargers and the Chiefs trading up (when they do trade up) for guys like Jenkins or Vera Tucker. That 2nd group of guys is full of right tackles and guards, for lack of a better, more concise way of saying it. The one guy with good upside is Cosmi and there's reason to believe they can get him without trading up.

The rest of the guys that project to be good pass blockers might be there at the end of the 2nd, let alone at the end of the first.

We can only use the information we have currently at hand. None of us can see the future - you're right, we don't know how things will play out.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Darrisaw plays very very similarly to Trent Williams.

I just watched him on GMF snd here’s some things about him...

He models his game off Trent Williams.
He didn’t give up a sack last year.
He didn’t get his QB hit last year.
He’s very kind off the field, but is violent on the field.

I’d have no problem giving up next years first to move up for him, if that’s possible on draft day.

No problem at all.

He could be special.

It's going to take next year's first and probably this year's 3rd or next year's 2nd. At least.

If we start at the Patrick Mahomes trade and factor in the trades that have been made so far this offseason, that's what you're looking at - this year's first and third, and next year's first.