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Old 09-30-2020, 09:22 PM   #1
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The problem isn’t just that Lamar hasn’t won in the playoffs, it’s that he’s had 2 of his worst performances in those games as well.
He's played very, very well when the running game and defense are working.

When they don't work, neither does he. He's teetering on the cliff of being a "system QB" and people just can't accept that.
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Old 09-30-2020, 09:32 PM   #2
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He's played very, very well when the running game and defense are working.

When they don't work, neither does he. He's teetering on the cliff of being a "system QB" and people just can't accept that.
Plus, the level of talent and coaching rises significantly in the playoffs.

QB’s often face defensive wrinkles that weren’t seen on film and everyone’s game, from the coaching staff to the last guy on the 53, is at its highest level because everyone knows what’s at stake (especially monetarily).
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:50 AM   #3
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Plus, the level of talent and coaching rises significantly in the playoffs.

QB’s often face defensive wrinkles that weren’t seen on film and everyone’s game, from the coaching staff to the last guy on the 53, is at its highest level because everyone knows what’s at stake (especially monetarily).
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Old 09-30-2020, 09:47 PM   #4
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He's played very, very well when the running game and defense are working.

When they don't work, neither does he. He's teetering on the cliff of being a "system QB" and people just can't accept that.
That's a fair criticism but when he is on he is on. You don't run for over 1k yards and throw 36 tds and just 6 ints in a season because you are an average QB, dude can ball
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:56 AM   #5
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That's a fair criticism but when he is on he is on. You don't run for over 1k yards and throw 36 tds and just 6 ints in a season because you are an average QB, dude can ball
You do when your surrounding cast is better than 75% of the NFL, it's pretty easy to rack up big stats.

It's interesting that you use the phrase "dude can ball". Sounds like the playground. That might be the best comparison actually.

In many ways, he looks like a playground player on a football field. When the opponent is actually organized and disciplined, that stuff doesn't work.
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Old 10-01-2020, 09:40 AM   #6
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You do when your surrounding cast is better than 75% of the NFL, it's pretty easy to rack up big stats.

It's interesting that you use the phrase "dude can ball". Sounds like the playground. That might be the best comparison actually.

In many ways, he looks like a playground player on a football field. When the opponent is actually organized and disciplined, that stuff doesn't work.
Mahomes plays playground football too at times. The hell you talking about?

Because Jackson is black and he can run he is a playground player and not a QB? That's ridiculous. Its 2020 not every QB is going to be a pocket passer. If that was case he'd wouldn't have thrown for 36 TDs and 6 INTs w garbage at WR last season.
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Mahomes plays playground football too at times. The hell you talking about?

Because Jackson is black and he can run he is a playground player and not a QB? That's ridiculous. Its 2020 not every QB is going to be a pocket passer. If that was case he'd wouldn't have thrown for 36 TDs and 6 INTs w garbage at WR last season.
If you want to beat great teams and win in the postseason, you have to be able to play the QB position. It has always been so. It will ever be so.

Being mobile is not "playground football". There have been many QBs who used mobility as part of their game win Super Bowls. The difference is whether mobility is something you use to augment your passing or if mobility is basically your whole game.

The latter has never succeeded at the NFL level and it never will. The QB has to be able to read and break down defenses on the fly and throw the ball accurately.
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If you want to beat great teams and win in the postseason, you have to be able to play the QB position. It has always been so. It will ever be so.

Being mobile is not "playground football". There have been many QBs who used mobility as part of their game win Super Bowls. The difference is whether mobility is something you use to augment your passing or if mobility is basically your whole game.

The latter has never succeeded at the NFL level and it never will. The QB has to be able to read and break down defenses on the fly and throw the ball accurately.
That's not what I meant. I meant playground football as in doing things coaches tell you not to do. Mahomes obviously makes it work though.
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That's not what I meant. I meant playground football as in doing things coaches tell you not to do. Mahomes obviously makes it work though.
Mahomes reads the whole field well and can make the right decisions on the fly and deliver the ball accurately. He uses mobility to extend plays or to take what the defense is giving him on the ground. His talents allow him to execute an offense at a high level. He doesn't need an offense designed around his shortcomings.
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Mahomes plays playground football too at times. The hell you talking about?

Because Jackson is black and he can run he is a playground player and not a QB? That's ridiculous. Its 2020 not every QB is going to be a pocket passer. If that was case he'd wouldn't have thrown for 36 TDs and 6 INTs w garbage at WR last season.
Mahomes rushed for 272 yards in 2018 and 218 yards in 2019.

That does NOT make him a "running QB" nor does that make him a "playground player".

Alex Smith never had less than 300 yards rushing while in KC and no one would call him a "playground player".
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Mahomes plays playground football too at times. The hell you talking about?

Because Jackson is black and he can run he is a playground player and not a QB? That's ridiculous. Its 2020 not every QB is going to be a pocket passer. If that was case he'd wouldn't have thrown for 36 TDs and 6 INTs w garbage at WR last season.
What does him being black have to do with anything?
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What does him being black have to do with anything?
For guys like him, it has EVERYTHING to do with it.
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