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ShowtimeSBMVP · 08:33 AM

Police: Man who died at Arrowhead was in a vehicle similar to one he arrived in
December 3
BY CHRISTINE VENDEL
The Kansas City Star

A Smithville man who was found in someone else’s Jeep and then died in a struggle outside Arrowhead Stadium Sunday had gone to the game in a similar vehicle that was parked nearby, police said Tuesday.

The Jeep also showed no signs of a break-in, leading police to believe it may have been left unlocked when Kyle Van Winkle, 30, climbed in and sat down.

Police released the additional details Tuesday as they continued to investigate what led to the death of Van Winkle, who had attended the Chiefs game against the Denver Broncos with relatives.

Detectives planned to interview relatives Tuesday to determine when they last saw him inside the stadium.

Police were called to Lot A of the Truman Sports Complex about 5:20 p.m. Sunday on a disturbance. Witnesses told police the Jeep owner had returned to his vehicle with his son, who is about 10 years old, when they realized a stranger was inside. The boy summoned help from several tail-gaters and they engaged in a struggle with Van Winkle, who had been sitting in the Jeep. Van Winkle collapsed and later died at a hospital.

Police did not say how Van Winkle died, but they said his body bore no signs of obvious injury.

Officers arrested three men shortly after the death, but they had to track down the fourth man who was arrested. Police searched one man’s home in Independence on Monday.

Detectives released three of the men Monday night and the fourth man Tuesday morning, pending further investigation.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/12/03...#storylink=cpy

KChiefer · 12-04-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

He was the victim of assault.

How do you know who assaulted whom first here?

**BigRedChief** · 12-04-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hometeam

The dad wasn't the assaulter (?), its the 'bystanders' the kid summoned, which opens up a whole different can of psychological worms for the kid.

Man you have to feel for the kid.

BigCatDaddy · 12-04-2013, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

How do you know who assaulted whom first here?

Because I'm not a dumbass? One dead guy, 4 possible assailants. Unless he was Chuck ****ing Norris. Don't be stupid.

jspchief · 12-04-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Because I'm not a dumbass? One dead guy, 4 possible assailants. Unless he was Chuck ****ing Norris. Don't be stupid.

I don't think you have all the information.

BigCatDaddy · 12-04-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't think you have all the information.

It sounds like one guy was assaulted to the point he died. I supposed it could have been some other freak thing like a heart attack, but I'd say the odds are not likely.

I will say if 4 guys jump me for an honest mistake I'm capping asses and not ending up like RIP here.

KChiefer · 12-04-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Because I'm not a dumbass? One dead guy, 4 possible assailants. Unless he was Chuck ****ing Norris. Don't be stupid.

Yeah, b/c drunk, disoriented ppl never decide to throw a punch.

Either way this escalated, this story shows why it's better to wait for the cops than go vigilante no matter what stupid ass conclusions you're drawing from it.

BourbonMan · 12-04-2013, 07:56 PM

NEW DETAILS

Witnesses at Arrowhead Stadium saw a tailgater pummel a man who had apparently climbed into the wrong vehicle on Sunday, according to new details obtained by the Star on Wednesday.

After the beating, the tailgater and his friends went back to their vehicles to continue watching the Chiefs’ game on a television. But when a bystander noticed the man was no longer breathing and summoned police, the tailgater fled the stadium, according to court records released Wednesday.

The 24-year-old tailgater went to his Independence home and changed clothes. Police on Monday morning arrested the tailgater at his home, then searched it and recovered the clothing, which included a No. 25 Jamaal Charles jersey, blue jeans and tennis shoes.

In the affidavit filed for the search warrant, police said they were looking for clothing and trace evidence, including “blood, hair, fibers and other microscopic evidence of a homicide.”

The death of Kyle Van Winkle, 30, of Smithville, has been deemed a homicide, police said Wednesday. He was found in the parking lot with blood coming from his nose or mouth, according to court records related to the search warrant. His death marked the 100th homicide of the year, the same number logged on the same date last year.

The medical examiner’s office did not provide a cause of death, but told police that the manner of death would be ruled homicide, meaning the death was caused by the hands of another. Such a ruling does not necessarily mean murder charges will be filed. Homicides can be justified, considered self-defense or charged as voluntary or involuntary manslaughter.

Police are still investigating. When they are finished, they will present their findings to prosecutors, who will decide whether to file criminal charges.

Van Winkle, who was attending the game with his father and a group of friends and relatives, told his father he was going to the restroom in the first quarter of the game against the Denver Broncos. But he never returned to his seat.

Instead, he walked into the parking lot for unknown reasons and got into an apparently unlocked green Jeep that was similar to a vehicle in his tailgating convoy. The Jeep was parked in the same row where his group had parked earlier, but about 10 vehicles closer to the stadium.

When the Jeep owner returned to the vehicle and found Van Winkle sleeping inside, the owner pulled him out, police said. As the owner was chasing Van Winkle around the Jeep, the owner’s 10-year-old son summoned help from a group of people who were watching the game on television in the parking lot.

The bystanders believed Van Winkle had broken into the Jeep, but police said there was no evidence of a break-in.

The bystanders confronted Van Winkle, police said. One bystander then punched Van Winkle in the face, quickly knocking him out. Witnesses said the bystander continued to punch Van Winkle, then walked away, leaving him on the asphalt. Someone propped him up against a bus, police said.

The bystanders went back to their tailgate party and the vehicle owner and his son left the area. Later, someone noticed Van Winkle was turning blue, police told The Star. A woman flagged down security officers about 5:40 p.m. and other bystanders started cardiopulminary resuscitation.

An ambulance took Van Winkle to a hospital, where he died. He and his wife had a 7-week-old baby. He worked at CommunityAmerica Credit Union.

Police eventually arrested four “persons of interest” in the case. Officers arrested three of them at the scene. They did not flee and they cooperated with detectives.

Police arrested their friend, who is believed to be the one who punched Van Winkle, at his home in the 400 block of North Ponca Drive in Independence during the search warrant Monday. He declined to talk to detectives. Police released all four men after 24 hours in jail, pending further investigation.

Detectives are looking for any witnesses who have not yet talked to police, especially anyone who videotaped any part of the incident. Anyone with information should call the homicide unit at 816-234-5043.

An attorney representing the 24-year-old tailgater said his client did not want to comment. The Star is not naming the client because he has not been charged. Garry Helm, an attorney and part-time city judge in Independence, noted that his client has a full-time job and no criminal record.

“My client’s really remorseful,” he said. “It was just a misunderstanding of the whole situation ... There are two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in between.”

Helm said the Jeep owner initially thanked his client for his help in the parking lot. A witness told police she overheard the Jeep owner saying that he was glad other people were there for him.

“The next thing you know, he’s spending the night in jail and it’s being called a homicide,” Helm said of his client. “I think it may be a hasty decision to rule it a homcide without all the medical evidence and toxicology results.”

Police have said toxicology results could take up to six weeks.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/12/04...#storylink=cpy

jspchief · 12-04-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

Yeah, b/c drunk, disoriented ppl never decide to throw a punch.

Either way this escalated, this story shows why it's better to wait for the cops than go vigilante no matter what stupid ass conclusions you're drawing for it.

Yeah, maybe the kid went to get help expecting other adults to know what to do, not expecting the results he got.

It's interesting how sparse the details have been. It's rare to not have rampant misinformation and rumor based reporting.

NewChief · 12-04-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Because I'm not a dumbass? One dead guy, 4 possible assailants. Unless he was Chuck ****ing Norris. Don't be stupid.

Yes. If the drunk guy who was disoriented and in someone else's vehicle would have had a gun, he could have killed all four of the guys who beat him up. Perfect.

jspchief · 12-04-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief

Yes. If the drunk guy who was disoriented and in someone else's vehicle would have had a gun, he could have killed all four of the guys who beat him up. Perfect.

But if the other 4 had guns too, they could have shot back.

Deberg_1990 · 12-04-2013, 08:13 PM

Sounds like the kid who did the punching didn't intend to kill him....probably just a freak accident, but damn....that was waaay excessive regardless.

Roid rage much?

Kiimo · 12-04-2013, 08:15 PM

Someone's going to jail, sorry bout it.

**Dartgod** · 12-04-2013, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

It's interesting how sparse the details have been. It's rare to not have rampant misinformation and rumor based reporting.

What? This thread itself is chock full of misinformation.

jspchief · 12-04-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

What? This thread itself is chock full of misinformation.

A lot of posters jumping to conclusions. I didn't really see much from news outlets.

**BigRedChief** · 12-04-2013, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I know, right? Much worse than the guy who thinks its ok to drink until he loses control and common sense.

"oh hey, you're drunk? Sure go ahead and climb into my car. Maybe throw up or piss your pants while you're at it. Haha, your lack of self control is so funny and totally excuses abuse of a stranger's property."

I understand your stance. Yes, its their fault for getting so drunk that they can't even recognize a car.

But, we have an obligation, albeit not legal, to try not to harm an individual who is out of his mind if at all possible without endangering yourself. Someone who is that drunk and unarmed should be easily dealt with without violence.

12-01-2013, 07:18 PM
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $3516009	810 Just said someone got murderd outside Arrowhead Police: Man who died at Arrowhead was in a vehicle similar to one he arrived in December 3 BY CHRISTINE VENDEL The Kansas City Star A Smithville man who was found in someone else’s Jeep and then died in a struggle outside Arrowhead Stadium Sunday had gone to the game in a similar vehicle that was parked nearby, police said Tuesday. The Jeep also showed no signs of a break-in, leading police to believe it may have been left unlocked when Kyle Van Winkle, 30, climbed in and sat down. Police released the additional details Tuesday as they continued to investigate what led to the death of Van Winkle, who had attended the Chiefs game against the Denver Broncos with relatives. Detectives planned to interview relatives Tuesday to determine when they last saw him inside the stadium. Police were called to Lot A of the Truman Sports Complex about 5:20 p.m. Sunday on a disturbance. Witnesses told police the Jeep owner had returned to his vehicle with his son, who is about 10 years old, when they realized a stranger was inside. The boy summoned help from several tail-gaters and they engaged in a struggle with Van Winkle, who had been sitting in the Jeep. Van Winkle collapsed and later died at a hospital. Police did not say how Van Winkle died, but they said his body bore no signs of obvious injury. Officers arrested three men shortly after the death, but they had to track down the fourth man who was arrested. Police searched one man’s home in Independence on Monday. Detectives released three of the men Monday night and the fourth man Tuesday morning, pending further investigation. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/12/03...#storylink=cpy Last edited by Gonzo; 07-14-2016 at 08:33 AM.. Reason: Couldn't stand it anymore.
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BourbonMan The Dude Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: topeka Casino cash: $10004900	NEW DETAILS Witnesses at Arrowhead Stadium saw a tailgater pummel a man who had apparently climbed into the wrong vehicle on Sunday, according to new details obtained by the Star on Wednesday. After the beating, the tailgater and his friends went back to their vehicles to continue watching the Chiefs’ game on a television. But when a bystander noticed the man was no longer breathing and summoned police, the tailgater fled the stadium, according to court records released Wednesday. The 24-year-old tailgater went to his Independence home and changed clothes. Police on Monday morning arrested the tailgater at his home, then searched it and recovered the clothing, which included a No. 25 Jamaal Charles jersey, blue jeans and tennis shoes. In the affidavit filed for the search warrant, police said they were looking for clothing and trace evidence, including “blood, hair, fibers and other microscopic evidence of a homicide.” The death of Kyle Van Winkle, 30, of Smithville, has been deemed a homicide, police said Wednesday. He was found in the parking lot with blood coming from his nose or mouth, according to court records related to the search warrant. His death marked the 100th homicide of the year, the same number logged on the same date last year. The medical examiner’s office did not provide a cause of death, but told police that the manner of death would be ruled homicide, meaning the death was caused by the hands of another. Such a ruling does not necessarily mean murder charges will be filed. Homicides can be justified, considered self-defense or charged as voluntary or involuntary manslaughter. Police are still investigating. When they are finished, they will present their findings to prosecutors, who will decide whether to file criminal charges. Van Winkle, who was attending the game with his father and a group of friends and relatives, told his father he was going to the restroom in the first quarter of the game against the Denver Broncos. But he never returned to his seat. Instead, he walked into the parking lot for unknown reasons and got into an apparently unlocked green Jeep that was similar to a vehicle in his tailgating convoy. The Jeep was parked in the same row where his group had parked earlier, but about 10 vehicles closer to the stadium. When the Jeep owner returned to the vehicle and found Van Winkle sleeping inside, the owner pulled him out, police said. As the owner was chasing Van Winkle around the Jeep, the owner’s 10-year-old son summoned help from a group of people who were watching the game on television in the parking lot. The bystanders believed Van Winkle had broken into the Jeep, but police said there was no evidence of a break-in. The bystanders confronted Van Winkle, police said. One bystander then punched Van Winkle in the face, quickly knocking him out. Witnesses said the bystander continued to punch Van Winkle, then walked away, leaving him on the asphalt. Someone propped him up against a bus, police said. The bystanders went back to their tailgate party and the vehicle owner and his son left the area. Later, someone noticed Van Winkle was turning blue, police told The Star. A woman flagged down security officers about 5:40 p.m. and other bystanders started cardiopulminary resuscitation. An ambulance took Van Winkle to a hospital, where he died. He and his wife had a 7-week-old baby. He worked at CommunityAmerica Credit Union. Police eventually arrested four “persons of interest” in the case. Officers arrested three of them at the scene. They did not flee and they cooperated with detectives. Police arrested their friend, who is believed to be the one who punched Van Winkle, at his home in the 400 block of North Ponca Drive in Independence during the search warrant Monday. He declined to talk to detectives. Police released all four men after 24 hours in jail, pending further investigation. Detectives are looking for any witnesses who have not yet talked to police, especially anyone who videotaped any part of the incident. Anyone with information should call the homicide unit at 816-234-5043. An attorney representing the 24-year-old tailgater said his client did not want to comment. The Star is not naming the client because he has not been charged. Garry Helm, an attorney and part-time city judge in Independence, noted that his client has a full-time job and no criminal record. “My client’s really remorseful,” he said. “It was just a misunderstanding of the whole situation ... There are two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in between.” Helm said the Jeep owner initially thanked his client for his help in the parking lot. A witness told police she overheard the Jeep owner saying that he was glad other people were there for him. “The next thing you know, he’s spending the night in jail and it’s being called a homicide,” Helm said of his client. “I think it may be a hasty decision to rule it a homcide without all the medical evidence and toxicology results.” Police have said toxicology results could take up to six weeks. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/12/04...#storylink=cpy __________________ FALSE START OFFENSE(EAGLES), EVERYBODY BUT THE CENTER!!!!!
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3834454	Sounds like the kid who did the punching didn't intend to kill him....probably just a freak accident, but damn....that was waaay excessive regardless. Roid rage much? __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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